Ke^in

There is a difference between 12.9 and 12.6. Both in the twelves? Sure. But we all know how much of a distance .3 seconds in a car makes.
I am talking consistent times.

We are talking stock cars. How come whenever there is a stock car faster than the Camaro someone always says "Yeah well.. if you mod the.. " well yes, you can mod any car to be faster than another.

Well he doesn't apologize to people that he badmouthed when he was wrong...so..

"I keep hearing the small car will and will not come stateside. Lutz needs to speak up."

Huh? That was the second post.

Either way, one wont be running them as consistently and as often as the new GT.

MOST stock 5th gens I've seen run hit high 12s on a good run.

necrocannibal

iTrader: (5)

Which is exactly what we are going to see from the new GT, MOST stockers running 13s with high 12s on a good run.

Sarahgto

Ok ke^in, Whats your point stock for stock??? Thread say new mustang vs 01 ss. Well clearly both cars can hit low 13s but the new mustang dip in the 12s bone stock. The ls1 is an old car already its like me comparing a ls1 to the old 5.0 that wont even compete at all. Look at the age diffrence!!! The new camaro has been in the high 12s just like the gt. So how far are you really going to compare to stock cars. Who knows if the new mustang is almost reach its limits from the factory. What i am trying to say is the ls motor still has more potential and will always have that advantage untill ford does a push rod design and around the same ci as gm does.

Sarahgto

Why are stang lovers on ls1tech?? If all they do is want to talk bad about the ls1. Isnt their like stang-site or maybe they like somthing they cant have.lol Gm is doing the z28 i would love you to compare the new mustang vs the z28 also. Than we will hear "Well look at chevys ci." Or If i s/c the little 5.0 it will.. So you pony guys have excuses too.
FORD GM

Sarahgto

Consistant Time??? Who has excuses... Rather have the new ss more potential either way you put it. Im sorry i didnt buy my car to keep it stock to find other stock cars to compare at the track. People want to buy the car with the least amount of money can make it fast and still looks good. To me its still the camaro ss.

92builtbird

Lawl.

Ke^in

Most? Where are you getting this? Again the ones that have been posted in this forum I've seen were 12.6/7 runs. You aren't looking at magazine times are you?

In that case, the 4th gen Camaro runs 13.5.

For one, that's what the topic IS about. Two stock cars racing. For two, the quote that said person replied to me with, WAS ABOUT stock cars.

Hard to talk about modded ones when very few modded 5.0s exist. There are a few slightly modded ones in the 11s however.
I'd considering "dip" would be 12.9. Not 12.6/12.7
The difference? The GT does it consistently, and closer to the mid 12s.
Because a lot of us are Camaro lovers too? Hell I bet if you ask, a lot of the long time members and mods own Mustangs as well. In EVERY Mustang board I am on, we have Camaro owners in it too. And I am glad they are there.
I don't think I've ever "talked bad" about it. IT's a great engine. Always will be in my eyes. The fact that it's 2011 and Ford just now has a GT that competes with the LS1 shows just how good that engine is. Even over a decade later. No disrespect for the LS1 here.
The Z28 will be in competition with the 2011 Cobra. Not the GT.

The real question you need to ask yourself is, why does it bother you that Mustang owners post here.

assasinator

man thats not exactly right. 4v's DO have big gains from cams. a set of cams will take a 96-96 4v from 315 rwhp to 380 rwhp. stock 4v cams are only 190-205 degree duration. 380rwhp is ONLY possible on early 4v with cams.

also the 500+rwhp 99+ 4v's also have to have big cams. what makes you think 4vs dont respond to cams?

Sarahgto

Dosnt bother me as long as they dont talk bad about gm. Because than yeah why post here. Never said the mustang was bad i want them to come out faster. I think s/c was fine with me never had an excuse with that because im more like run what you brung. 03 cobra is the best mustang i think. I been seeing them as low as 15,000.

Sarahgto

500rwhp with cams not sure how thats possible. That i would have to see. Cars make most of its power off heads. The cobra must have the best flowing heads to come up that much rwhp because stock they dont put out over 300rwhp 99 and up so to reach 500rwhp with just cams i dont think so..

assasinator

im sure thats probably right, but so far all actual private owned 2011's are in the 12's.

Ke^in

If GM did something bad.. like say lied about paying back money they didn't. Would you then get mad if someone made a negative comment about that. And if so, why?
The termis are fast stangs. But the newer Cobras are much better IMHO.

92builtbird

Hmm, that much? I was under the impression that gains from cam only applications were more around ~40 rwhp. I'm not a mustang expert at all though.

Heads/intake are another story.

Sarahgto

Yeah but i heard hard to tune and more expensive. Still seen them in the low 30,000 for gt500 used(not kr) I dont even care about bail out and stuff like that. I cant really say i follow that to much i just heard they paid it off. But when you talk car performance that shouldnt even pop up and why should it?

Ke^in

You simply said "Bad things about GM" if you only meant performance.. then no that doesn't matter. Are they more expensive? Sure! But so will the Z28 be.

BigMat

Not for me. Here's what the 2nd post says

(Top 30 in each category)

Stock

1. nhra stocker - 12.58 @ 110.30 mph, (LS3, M6)
2. 2quick - 12.61 @ 111.60 mph, (LS3, M6)
3. blufin - 12.70 @ 111.07 mph, (LS3, M6)
4. Monte - 12.77 @ 110.98 mph, (LS3, M6)
5. b20 - 12.81 @ 108.73 mph, (LS3, M6)
6. 8secpumpgasdad - 12.86 @ 108.70 mph, (L99, A6)
7. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08, (LS3, M6)
8. 8ty8ls1 - 12.97 @ 107.61 mph, (L99, A6)
9. 1stGM - 12.98 @ 107. 34 mph, (L99, A6)
10. SSmokey - 13.04 @ 110.80 mph, (LS3, M6)
11. NineBall - 13.07 @ 109.07 mph, (LS3, M6)
12. Kathy63 - 13.07 @ 105.84 mph, (LS3, m6)
13. Jorux - 13.08 @ 111.49 mph, (LS3, M6)
14. Will69camaro - 13.09 @ 109.70 mph, (LS3 M6), (DA +276)
15. Malice - 13.10 @ 107.64 mph, ( LS3, M6)
16. Dentyneice - 13.17 @ 109.77 mph, (LS3, M6)
17. gtwss - 13.17 @ 109.64 mph, (LS3, M6)
18. acatlover13 - 13.20 @ 105.99 mph, (L99, A6)
19. Three-D - 13.25 @ 109.84 mph, (LS3, M6)
20. Matt (tunetime) - 13.25 @ 106. 42 mph, (L99, A6)
21. Grand pa - 13.27 @ 100.72 mph, (L99 A6)
22. Foglin - 13.28 @ 106.8 mph, (LS3, M6)
23. Scottywheels - 13.28 @ 106.43 mph, (L99, A6)
24. gtwss - 13.29 @ 108.09 mph, (LS3, M6)
25. Amwellls1 - 13.31 @ 107.0 mph, (LS3, M6)
26. Midnight camaro - 13.33 @ 105.52 mph, (L99, A6)
27. GQ4life - 13.36 @ 108.97 mph, (LS3, M6)
28. DarricSS - 13.37 @ 105.89 mph, (LS3, M6), (DA + 3331)
29. blake2010ss - 13.38 @ 107.72 mph, (LS3, M6)
30. HDDAN - 13.38 @ 105.65 mph, (L99, A6)


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Bolt-Ons without Internal Engine Modification (e.g. modified airpath, headers, PCM-tune, aftermarket clutch, non-stock rear gears, skinny front tires)

1. Walkermuffler - 11.71 @ 114.07 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune, 17'' wheels, Skinnies, Drag Radials, (LS3, M6)
2. OrangeChevy - 11.83 @ 116 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, 18'' wheels, Skinnies, Drag Radials), (LS3, M6)
3. GMRULZ - 12.22 @ 113.29 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6), (DA -648 ft.)
4. RedJewel2SS - 12.23 @ 113.18 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, 104 octane, Tune), (L99, A6)
5. Number_9 - 12.24 @ 112.99 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Ported TB & Intake, Line Lock, DR's Tune), (L99, A6)
6. Wacker - 12.49 @ 111.57 mph, (LT, Exhaust, Tune), (L99, A6)
7. NHSS - 12.53 @ 111.73 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6)
8. SGOS252382 - 12.55 @ 111.62 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune), (L99 A6)
9. RamAir2 - 12.58 @ 111.32 mph, (LT, CAI, 18'' wheels, DRs, coil overs), (LS3, M6)
10. SRT10KLR - 12.59 kph @ ?, (Mid Length Headers, Exhaust, CAI, DR's Tune), (L99, A6)
11. Grand Pa - 12.60 @ 110.69 mph (LT, CAI, Tune)
12. Nuptualnemesis - 12.61 @ 113.52 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune, T arm, Drag Radials), (LS3 M6),(DA +1793 ft.)
13. JNM2003 - 12.64 @ 111.51 mph, (Exhaust CAI, Tune), (LS3, M6)
14. Darin Morgan - 12.66 @ 110.88 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Ported TB, Tune), (L99, A6)
15. Jhmurphy - 12.68 @ 111.67 mph, (LT, CAI, Ported TB and Intake, Tune), (L99, A6)
16. Rick@Liverois - 12.68 @ 109.72 mph, (Exhaust, CAI, Pully, Tune), (L99, A6)
17. JP2010SS - 12.69 @ 112.58 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune), (LS3, M6)
18. Rodimus Prime - 12.73 @ 110 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6)
19. Boostedyards86 - 12.74 @ 111.33 mph, (LT,CAI, Exhaust, 160 tstat), (LS3, M6), (DA +1589 ft.)
20. FASST 1 - 12.75 @ 109.28 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6)
21. Black5thgen - 12.78 @ 111.48 mph, (CAI, Tune), (LS3, M6)
22. Jbsrace1 - 12.79 @ 109.29 mph, (CAI, Exhaust, Tune), (L99 A6)
23. DTM - 12.84 @ 109.84 mph, (Muffler Delete), (LS3, M6)
24. OctaneZ28 - 12.84 @ 108.15 mph, (Tune), (L99, A6), (DA -800 ft.)
25. Matt tune time - 12.94 @ 108.39 mph, (Tune), (L99, A6)
26. James4086 - 13.07 @ 111.06 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6)
27. ljustin293 - 13.09 @ 110.33 mph, (LT, Exhaust), (LS3, M6)
28. Mercuryman96 - 13.13 @ 106.58 mph, (CAI, DR's), (LS3, M6)
29. WongBob - 13.15 @ 109.89 mph, (Muffler Delete), (LS3, M6)
30. Patman - 13.15 @ 105 mph, (High Octane Gas), (L99, A6)




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Internal Engine Mods plus Bolt-Ons (e.g. bolt-ons plus heads and/or cam)

1. Gib - 11.22 @ 125.31 mph, (427 ci, Heads/Cam, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Converter, Tune, (L99, A6)
2. OrangeChevy - 11.37 @ 121.55 mph (Cam, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, Skinny's, DR's), (LS3, M6)
3. MattTuneTime - 11.62 @ 121.62 mph, (Heads/Cam, LT, CAI, Tune, 17'' DR's), (L99, A6)
4. Nuptualnemesis - 11.73 @ 118.63 mph, (Cam, LT, CAI, T Arm, Ported TB & Intake, Tune, 17'' MT ET's), (LS3, M6)
5. Mike@newera - 11.88 @ 115.13 mph, (Cam, LT, Ported TB, Converter, Tune, DR's), (L99, A6)
6. FreemaSSon - 11.92 @ 116.18 mph, (Heads/Cam, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, 18'' ET Streets)
7. Camaro1 - 11.96 @ 115.62 mph, (415 ci, Heads/Cam, CAI, LT, Exhaust, Converter, Tune), (L99, A6)
8. Rickythestorm - 11.98 @ 116.27 mph, (Cam, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Stall, Tune), (L99, A6)
9. SRT10KLLR - 12.09 @ 119.53 mph,(Heads/Cam, CAI, LT, Exhaust, Stall, DR's, Tune), (L99, A6)
10. SSyanide - 12.33 @ 114.40 mph, (Cam, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, DR's, (L99, A6)



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Power Adders (Nitrous, Turbo, Supercharger)

1. OrangeChevy - 10.28 @ 134.26 mph, (Nitrous/200 shot, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, Skinny's, DR's, Tune), (LS3, M6)
2. Midgard/Livernois - 10.44 @ 134.29 mph, (419 cid, Supercharger, Cam, LT, Exhaust, 3.45 gears, DR, Tune, (L99, A6)
3. Bigdog - 10.61 @ 130.19 mph, (Supercharger/YSI, Cam, LT, Meth Inj, 16'' Bogarts, Slicks, Tune), (LS3, M6)
4. Robin Lawrence - 10.82 @ 127.33 mph, (GM Crate, Supercharger/TVS 1900, Heads/Cam, LT, Exhaust, Stall, 18'' DR), (Built 4L80E)
5. SuperchargedSS - 10.99 @ 124.83 mph, (Supercharger/TVS 2300, CAI, LT, Exhaust, Meth kit, 18'' DR's, Tune, (L99, A6)
6. Larry@SpeedInc - 11.00 @ 126. 70 mph,(Supercharger/TVS 2300, CAI, LT, Exhaust, 18'' wheels, DR's, Tune),(LS3, M6), (DA + 750 ft.)
7. Jchaluja - 11.30 @ 125.96 mph, (Twin Turbo, Exhaust, DR's, Tune), (L99, A6)
8. SRT10KLLR - 11.32 @ 129.48 mph, (Nitrous/200 shot, Heads/Cam, CAI, LT, Exhaust, Stall, DR's, Tune), (L99, A6)
9. Boostedyards86 - 11.36 @ 123.97 mph, (Supercharger/TVS 2300, Cam, LT, Exhaust, Meth inj, 17'' ET Streets), (LS3, M6)
10. TandTperformance - 11.50 @ 124.03 mph, (Supercharger/TVS 2300, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Axles, DR's, Tune, (LS3, M6)
11. Lewylew - 11.54 @ 119.54 mph, (Supercharged/TVS 2300, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, DR's), (L99, A6)
12. JamesFl - 11.57 @ 118.55 mph, (Supercharger/P1, LT, Exhaust, Meth Inj, Stall, T-arm, DR's Tune), (L99, A6)
13. Mod4SS - 11.59 @ 118.20 mph, (Supercharger/TVS 2300, LT, CAI, DR's, Tune), (L99, A6)
14. Silverfox - 11.66 @ 112.73 mph, (Supercharger/p-1sc, LT, Converter, 18'' DR's, Tune), (L99, A6)
15. Pharmd - 11.70 @ 103. 47 mph, (Supercharger/TVS 1900, Cam, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6)
16. Proroc - 11.93 @ 117.57 mph, (Supercharger, CAI, DR's, Tune), (LS3, M6), (DA + 1118 ft.)
17. 69Bird - 11.97 @ 119.90 mph, (Supercharger/TVS 2300, LT, CAI, Tune), (LS3, M6), (DA + 133 ft.)
18. Roc Spo - 11.99 @ 119.30 mph, (Supercharger/TVS 2300, Cam, LT, Exhaust, DR's, Tune), (LS3, M6)
19. D R - 12.39 @ 113.90 mph, (LPE 550, Supercharger/TVS 2300, CAI, DR's, Tune), (L99 A6)
20. Speed75SS- 12.45 @ 117.52 mph, (LPE 570, Supercharger/TVS 2300, Exhaust, CAI, Tune),(LS3, M6), (DA +2332 ft.)
21. Riderover40 - 12.68 @ 117.03 mph, (Supercharger/TVS 2300, CAI, LT, Exhaust, Tune), (LS3, M6)
22. d69chris - 12.76 @ 111.14 mph, (Supercharger/Vortec, Exhaust, T-arm, springs), (L99, A6)

Ke^in

On that list, only 7 have gotten below 12.9 stock.

That pretty much proves what I said. It's not the norm. However, the GT just came off the lot, and people are already hitting 12.6s with little seat time.

What do you think the GT's list will look like once it's as old as the 5th gen Camaro?

jabawalkie

13.0-13.4@107-111 is what I've seen and heard. And its the same complaint from all drivers. "This thing can't hook" or "It needs better tires". I find it hard to believe the 5.0s STOCK are hitting 12.6. It would take a perfect launch with no wheel spin and great traction in between gears.

Even if it traps 112, it would need slicks to get it to 12.6 with that trap speed. No way its doing that with the stock tires.

Ke^in

I am guessing you've not read other threads in this forum showing owners getting 12.6/12.7 from these cars?

I'll see if I can post a link when I get back from lunch.

<edit> Found it.

Sorry, not 12.6, but 12.7

"Ran a 12.95. Then proceeded to run a 12.81 ,12.78, and 12.77. Car is equipped with the 3.55 gear and had 21 miles on the ODO."

https://ls1tech.com/forums/13336341-post178.html

Wonder what the 3.73 geared one with DRs would do.

BigMat

You just can't accept reality can you?