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Old 05-18-2010, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by NightmareTA
My bro has a 405 WHP S197 and he does 12.4 @ 110 mph with slicks and a 1.7-1.8 60ft. I call BIG BS on mid 12's on the 2011. Some people just don't understand the physics of racing!
Then your bro needs to learn how to drive. Please explain to us idiots on the physics. 112 mph is plenty of mph to run an 11 sec pass and most certainly a mid 12.

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Originally Posted by assasinator
the motor i mentioned all have modded intakes. but the cams are needed bad to make any real power just like every other engine.
Yeah... I know.

I was responding to sarahgto saying that "The ls3 blah blah will make 500 with a cam only, lets see a 5.0 do that.

And I said that the 4v motors do not respond well to cam only aplications.

So the numbers you posted claiming numbers with intakes that have been touched are void.

Cam only dude, cam only. All I was talking about.
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Originally Posted by jabawalkie
I hope so. Hell, I hope it does run that well for the ones that bought it.

I have a stock 03Z06. COMPLETELY stock. My best run has been a 12.65@115.8. That's with 315s out back. There is no way a 5.0, that ways over 500lb more and just 20rwhp more can run the same time in stock trim with 235s or 245s out back.
There have been BONE STOCK C5 Z06s in the 11s, at 118-119mph. What's your explanation for that?
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I think it's pretty funny that people think the 2011 GT will do mid 12's out of the box. With slicks and that mph, yes maybe. On the stock 235's, ARE YOU GUYS ON CRACK!? I own an S197. The BEST and I mean BEST ON A PERFECT DAY I could do with my stock tires was a 13.58 with a 2.0 60ft. If I gave it any RPM those suckers would break loose. My bro has a 405 WHP S197 and he does 12.4 @ 110 mph with slicks and a 1.7-1.8 60ft. I call BIG BS on mid 12's on the 2011. Some people just don't understand the physics of racing!
That's great
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Originally Posted by Ke^in
Is 12.77 mid twelves?
No but I thought someone else said it could do a 12.6 somewhere in these 9 pages of BSing.

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Then your bro needs to learn how to drive. Please explain to us idiots on the physics. 112 mph is plenty of mph to run an 11 sec pass and most certainly a mid 12.

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I clearly said it was possibly with slicks and that mph for mid 12's. But there are people saying it can be done on the stock 235's! And honestly I don't know of many cars that will run in the 11's with a 112 trap speed. I'm sure it can be done, but you would need a killer 60ft. As for my bro, he can drive just fine. Even if he got his 60ft to a 1.6, thats 2/10ths off the ET which brings him to a 12.2 or so. And he puts more to the wheels than a new GT.

You know, not to bash anyone, but for an LSx forum, there sure as hell are a shitload of mustang fanboys on here. Hell, I own one but I signed up on this forum to talk about LSx engines, not hear mustang guys trying to bash us every chance they get. There are forums for stangs too, just as an FYI.

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Originally Posted by 92builtbird
Yeah... I know.

I was responding to sarahgto saying that "The ls3 blah blah will make 500 with a cam only, lets see a 5.0 do that.

And I said that the 4v motors do not respond well to cam only aplications.

So the numbers you posted claiming numbers with intakes that have been touched are void.

Cam only dude, cam only. All I was talking about.
where is there a cam only 500rwhp? nothing else?
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Originally Posted by jabawalkie
The 5.0 doesn't create the top end power necessary to overcome the wheel spin that would be generated from its setup and run a mid 12 second time in stock form. Sorry

wow i quit this discussion. you guys have blinders that ONLY losing at the track will take off. its ok. 112mph cant get into 12's. neither can a 2010SS. none of them are running 12's. because they have a 110mph trap. there are no 12 second SS's out there.
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Originally Posted by NightmareTA
No but I thought someone else said it could do a 12.6 somewhere in these 9 pages of BSing.



I clearly said it was possibly with slicks and that mph for mid 12's. But there are people saying it can be done on the stock 235's! And honestly I don't know of many cars that will run in the 11's with a 112 trap speed. I'm sure it can be done, but you would need a killer 60ft. As for my bro, he can drive just fine. Even if he got his 60ft to a 1.6, thats 2/10ths off the ET which brings him to a 12.2 or so. And he puts more to the wheels than a new GT.

You know, not to bash anyone, but for an LSx forum, there sure as hell are a shitload of mustang fanboys on here. Hell, I own one but I signed up on this forum to talk about LSx engines, not hear mustang guys trying to bash us every chance they get. There are forums for stangs too, just as an FYI.

End of my diarea of the mouth session.
We are on an LSx forum, but the topic at hand is the '11 GT. If you don't like a diverse group of people talking about different topics, then maybe YOU are the one on the wrong forum.
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Originally Posted by assasinator
where is there a cam only 500rwhp? nothing else?
Please go back to page 6, post #104 and re-read.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
We are on an LSx forum, but the topic at hand is the '11 GT. If you don't like a diverse group of people talking about different topics, then maybe YOU are the one on the wrong forum.
The topic on hand has been dragging on for these 9 pages and another 20 gazillian on the previous thread about this same thing. Someone just needs to BUY a 2011 GT and drag it and give us the results. All I'm giving are opinions from someone who's been in the car and racing scene for 7 years. I have seen a lot of cars run and have a good idea of track times, etc with certain HP and engine set ups.

I'm really not trying to make any enemies or start any fights, but there is a shitload of mis information for every 1 post of correct info. Starts to get to ya after a while.
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Then stop posting in these threads. But it is FACT that a stock '11 GT went 12.77, and I'm sorry if you can't deal with it.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Then stop posting in these threads. But it is FACT that a stock '11 GT went 12.77, and I'm sorry if you can't deal with it.
I'm not going to buy it until I see a vid or some proof. I thought the only track vid that was out there is it doing a 12.95? Wheres the 12.77 vid on the 235's??
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Well I am sure you will get lots of proof in the near future. 12.4 @ 110mph in a 405rwhp S197 Mustang is pitiful, by the way.
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Originally Posted by assasinator
where is there a cam only 500rwhp? nothing else?
There's quite a few cam only LS3's at 500rwhp. Unless you're an idiot you know that means with a good intake/exhaust/tune.

P.S. Not sure why that matters anyway......haha

Originally Posted by assasinator
wow i quit this discussion. you guys have blinders that ONLY losing at the track will take off. its ok. 112mph cant get into 12's. neither can a 2010SS. none of them are running 12's. because they have a 110mph trap. there are no 12 second SS's out there.
Glad you quit, this makes no sense at all (unless this was intentional). They both are capable of high 12's
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Well I am sure you will get lots of proof in the near future. 12.4 @ 110mph in a 405rwhp S197 Mustang is pitiful, by the way.
It's got a roush blower bolted on it. The car weighs 3700 lbs WITHOUT my 160lbs brother in it. It has no weight reduction at all. He could def do a 12.2 with a slightly better 60ft. Not all of us are "john Force's," you know.

And i'll be waiting with open eyes for that proof.
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Originally Posted by NightmareTA
You know, not to bash anyone, but for an LSx forum, there sure as hell are a shitload of mustang fanboys on here. Hell, I own one but I signed up on this forum to talk about LSx engines, not hear mustang guys trying to bash us every chance they get. There are forums for stangs too, just as an FYI.
My wife used to own a 01' z28 (A4) a couple of years ago. I put a cutout, lid, and a meter on it and with 3.42's and it went 12.96@109 with her driving. 2.03 60ft on sumitomos. Sold to a kid on here who totalled it.

So as you can see by my post count since SR&K doesn't account for posts I'm usually in the drag race section helping out LS1 guys with general questions about drag racing that can apply to both platforms (tires, gears, safety equipment, suspension geometry and settings, linelocks, etc.)

So I will probably add more to this site that you ever will. No offense.
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Originally Posted by NightmareTA
No but I thought someone else said it could do a 12.6 somewhere in these 9 pages of BSing.
That would be me. I thought I saw a 12.6. I was 12.7. I apologize.
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So I will probably add more to this site that you ever will. No offense.
...and I can guarantee that I have.
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Originally Posted by NightmareTA
No but I thought someone else said it could do a 12.6 somewhere in these 9 pages of BSing.



I clearly said it was possibly with slicks and that mph for mid 12's. But there are people saying it can be done on the stock 235's! And honestly I don't know of many cars that will run in the 11's with a 112 trap speed. I'm sure it can be done, but you would need a killer 60ft. As for my bro, he can drive just fine. Even if he got his 60ft to a 1.6, thats 2/10ths off the ET which brings him to a 12.2 or so. And he puts more to the wheels than a new GT.

You know, not to bash anyone, but for an LSx forum, there sure as hell are a shitload of mustang fanboys on here. Hell, I own one but I signed up on this forum to talk about LSx engines, not hear mustang guys trying to bash us every chance they get. There are forums for stangs too, just as an FYI.

End of my diarea of the mouth session.
one of my best friends has gone 12.30's @ 111 on 17" m/t drag radials in a bolt on 300whp mach 1. your brother sucks at driving.
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Assasinator, i dont buy anthing you say because we just heard from you that a 4 valve with suporting mods CAM ONLY (99) made up to 500 rwhp. Thats BS im sorry to say it is. You can run a low trap and break 11s My friend hit 11.70s @ 107 in his T/A 396 3spd tranny 411 on 26" slicks needed more gear but still trap 107. 1/4 mile depends mostly on your 0 to 60 ft. lol if it wasnt for that where would mustangs be lol was a joke ..jk
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If you trap high like 111- 119 for example yeah could be in the 11s but maybe in the 12s if it dosnt have a good 0 to 60 ft. Alot of factors come into play mostley wheel hop and traction issues. Car can have 300rwhp and break 12s easy. I thought z06 c6 trap like around 123 at the end of the 1/4 last time i check
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