Street Racing & Kill Stories Basic Technical Questions & Advice

2 near stock '02 WS6's verse 2 '11 5.0 GT's.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-01-2010, 05:22 AM
  #101  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (12)
 
chavez885's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Concord, CA
Posts: 2,382
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Strong rims on the ws6, WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!! Parasitic loss, jesus.

Good races though, if an auto 5.0 can hang that well from a roll, that's pretty good.
chavez885 is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 06:10 AM
  #102  
On The Tree
iTrader: (1)
 
Ferg95 T/A's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Decatur, AL
Posts: 198
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by chavez885
Strong rims on the ws6, WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!! Parasitic loss, jesus.

Good races though, if an auto 5.0 can hang that well from a roll, that's pretty good.
yeah. I definatley am going to spray that bitch if I roll up on one. Good races. Great vid.
Ferg95 T/A is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 09:05 AM
  #103  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (55)
 
Mike Morris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Md/PA/FL
Posts: 1,635
Received 68 Likes on 57 Posts

Default

Nice job!!

As I mentioned in another thread-kids with a lid and exhaust are going to get their feelings hurt against one of these.....
Mike Morris is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 09:27 AM
  #104  
On The Tree
iTrader: (3)
 
MrFrossty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: "Canada"
Posts: 119
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Good job guys! I find it alittle funny that the battle for stock, street supremacy should be the LS3 vs 5.0 but the 4thGen LS1s are the ones waving the Banner and saying to Ford, "You can't have it"
MrFrossty is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 10:46 AM
  #105  
Staging Lane
Thread Starter
 
Sticks n Stones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Snohomish, WA
Posts: 65
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by NiteRiderWS6
Another thing, I keep reading alot on SVTP and Other forums that some guys think the 5.0 is a better race for a C5 Z06, but I can tell you right now the C5 Z06's are going to have their way with the 5.0 in just about any kind of race.
I have no clue how they can be thinking a C5 Z06 is within reach. tsk tsk Lots of 5.0 owners are gonna be let down if they think along those lines.
Sticks n Stones is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 10:59 AM
  #106  
On The Tree
iTrader: (1)
 
GatorFan08's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Winter Haven, FL
Posts: 143
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

I wanna see a dig with no passengers in the car and the camera at the finish line!! Good video tho
GatorFan08 is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 11:30 AM
  #107  
Tech Apprentice
iTrader: (1)
 
Stopsign32v's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 191
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Sticks n Stones
I have no clue how they can be thinking a C5 Z06 is within reach. tsk tsk Lots of 5.0 owners are gonna be let down if they think along those lines.
M6 5.0 with the 3.73 gears or better and possibly a tune to get rid of any factory limiters...I can see a stock C5 Z06 being a good race.
Stopsign32v is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 11:31 AM
  #108  
Tech Apprentice
iTrader: (1)
 
Stopsign32v's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 191
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by MrFrossty
Good job guys! I find it alittle funny that the battle for stock, street supremacy should be the LS3 vs 5.0 but the 4thGen LS1s are the ones waving the Banner and saying to Ford, "You can't have it"
Its modded LS1s against stock 5.0s genious. Why do you think its so amazing the LS1s win or barely lose? LOL
Stopsign32v is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 11:31 AM
  #109  
Staging Lane
Thread Starter
 
Sticks n Stones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Snohomish, WA
Posts: 65
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by GatorFan08
I wanna see a dig with no passengers in the car and the camera at the finish line!! Good video tho
Niterider's WS6 just couldnt get traction in 1st gear and the 5.0 hooked really good so the weight savings wouldnt have mattered. Also, the 5.0 in stock form really seems to run better from a dig than a roll. Must be some computer trickery like alot of cars have that allow more power/less torque management style interference if they sense a 1/4 mile run ensuing.

One last thing: The WS6 had driven nearly non stop for hours and it wasnt possible for it to have been any more heat soaked- which no doubt came into affect while sitting at the line trying to line up and agree on stop points, etc. I would guess the Mustang handled the heat ALOT better than the WS6 judging by the disparity between dig and roll races? :shrug:
Sticks n Stones is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 12:12 PM
  #110  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (4)
 
TheBlueKnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Nevada
Posts: 1,971
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by Sticks n Stones
Also, the 5.0 in stock form really seems to run better from a dig than a roll. Must be some computer trickery like alot of cars have that allow more power/less torque management style interference if they sense a 1/4 mile run ensuing.
I think it did so well from a dig because it was an automatic as well. I always see autos yanking manuals out of the hole. I can't help but think those rims on that trans am are eating up at least a half car to a full car length.

So it's looking like lid and catback M6 f-bods are in the realm of stock auto 5.0's and then probably headers and a tune to be in the realm of the stock M6 track pack? Seems normal to me, the cars weigh roughly the same, so to hang we pretty much have to match HP

*edit* That's pretty impressive in the second dig, I can see the trans am jump a little before the 5.0 but it still just blows past. Nite, did you spin completely through first and hook in second, or did you spin through second as well, or spin only half way through first?

Last edited by TheBlueKnight; 08-01-2010 at 12:18 PM.
TheBlueKnight is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 12:26 PM
  #111  
On The Tree
iTrader: (3)
 
MrFrossty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: "Canada"
Posts: 119
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
Its modded LS1s against stock 5.0s genious. Why do you think its so amazing the LS1s win or barely lose? LOL
Hey, genious, the point of my post, since it obvisouly traveled well over your head, was that the 5.0 should be matched up with the LS3 Camaro, rather than a 13 year engine and finding something this closely matched after 13 years is pretty impressive in itself. With that being said, the 5.0 has a slight advantage but the fact that this 13 year engine/technology is giving it one H*ll of a fight with a VERY close and accurate representation of what could have been 13 years ago is why. People can say track prep or gears or whatever but the bottom line is not every 5.0 that you run into on the street or track is going to be optimally optioned or conditions or equal drivers so this is a controlled display of real life. Let's compare the last year the LS1 was made(2002) for the F-Body and compare it to a 13 year old Mustang and watch what happens.

Last edited by MrFrossty; 08-01-2010 at 12:46 PM.
MrFrossty is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 12:49 PM
  #112  
Teching In
iTrader: (2)
 
NiteRiderWS6's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Socal
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by TheBlueKnight
I think it did so well from a dig because it was an automatic as well. I always see autos yanking manuals out of the hole. I can't help but think those rims on that trans am are eating up at least a half car to a full car length.

So it's looking like lid and catback M6 f-bods are in the realm of stock auto 5.0's and then probably headers and a tune to be in the realm of the stock M6 track pack? Seems normal to me, the cars weigh roughly the same, so to hang we pretty much have to match HP

*edit* That's pretty impressive in the second dig, I can see the trans am jump a little before the 5.0 but it still just blows past. Nite, did you spin completely through first and hook in second, or did you spin through second as well, or spin only half way through first?
the wheels looks heavy but they are not at all, I actually had this debate a while back with a friend of mine so we lifted up both and the 19's were noticeably lighter. but the funny thing is when I had them on my old car (2000 A4 WS6) before this one I went 12.7@110 with the factory 2000 WS6 wheels and I went 12.6@111 with the 19's????

Also I didnt spin from the digs you cant really tell but the car was bogging down and then taking off, Ive never had that happen before and me and sticks n stones are thinking that it was the heat, I drove the car almost 2 hours straight for that race and it had little to no cool down time.
NiteRiderWS6 is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 12:51 PM
  #113  
11 Second Club
 
LT/LS Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: E-town raceway
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Nice runs! LS1 still holds it's own.
LT/LS Guy is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 01:00 PM
  #114  
Moderator
iTrader: (15)
 
JayplaySS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Miami, OH
Posts: 4,615
Received 161 Likes on 99 Posts

Default

I'm very impressed from the digs- You guys did a great job working this out and making a great video.

Looks like the 5.0, even the A6, is a good LS1 race, good job Ford-

The A6 and M6 all post very similar times and traps if I am not mistaken. The roll will always favor the M6.
JayplaySS is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 01:25 PM
  #115  
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (71)
 
lemons12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Winchester, TN
Posts: 11,088
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by NiteRiderWS6
Another thing, I keep reading alot on SVTP and Other forums that some guys think the 5.0 is a better race for a C5 Z06, but I can tell you right now the C5 Z06's are going to have their way with the 5.0 in just about any kind of race.
Thats bull ****. The Cobra is quicker/faster on average than the 5.0... The Cobra isn't a race for the Z.

The Z on average traps around 115mph, no reason to compare that to a 5.0.. Not to mention after 100mph it would get real ugly, real quick.

They are pretty evenly matched with an ls3 camaro and the 5.0 has an edge.
lemons12 is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 01:36 PM
  #116  
Teching In
iTrader: (2)
 
NiteRiderWS6's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Socal
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by lemons12
Thats bull ****. The Cobra is quicker/faster on average than the 5.0... The Cobra isn't a race for the Z.

The Z on average traps around 115mph, no reason to compare that to a 5.0.. Not to mention after 100mph it would get real ugly, real quick.

They are pretty evenly matched with an ls3 camaro and the 5.0 has an edge.
Exactly what I said, my friends 2004 Bone stock Z06 back in missouri beat me by 3-4 cars everytime we raced. Also the guy with the 5.0 said he beat both Auto and Manual 2010 Camaro's by 1-1.5 cars everytime and the SRT8 challenger by 2-3
NiteRiderWS6 is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 01:38 PM
  #117  
Teching In
iTrader: (2)
 
NiteRiderWS6's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Socal
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by chavez885
Strong rims on the ws6, WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!! Parasitic loss, jesus.

Good races though, if an auto 5.0 can hang that well from a roll, that's pretty good.
lol it was eather that or put my black ZR1's on with DR's and in 95*+ degree weather I guarantee I wouldn't have made it back home without breaking something on those runs.
NiteRiderWS6 is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 02:26 PM
  #118  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (5)
 
necrocannibal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Memphis,TN
Posts: 1,500
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 8 Posts


Default

Wow imagine that. That video shows a drivers race between the cars. And Ford guys dont go acting like a lid and catback add 50 hp. You mgiht be lucky to gain 10-15 with them, especially on a SLP or Suncoast car.
necrocannibal is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 02:26 PM
  #119  
Teching In
 
9cobra4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by lemons12
The 5.0/ls1 comparison is much closer than the 5.0/ls6 comparison.

98% of M6 5.0 track pack M6s will not do 12.3s, period. Even your average tuned/gears auto will not do 12.3s.. I'm going to assume he had a tire and in very good air/track.

Not being a dick but if you tell someone they are wrong, try to be correct on your statements.
I expect some criticism, I've just never seen a ls1 go anywhere near 12.30's stock. I'm not sure what kind of wheel/tire package he ran to get the 12.37, but I will say it was in cleve's ohio, on a 90 degree humid day.

Nevermind:Found the video, I'l ask him what the da' was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4qeP_zICAE
9cobra4 is offline  
Old 08-01-2010, 02:32 PM
  #120  
Teching In
 
9cobra4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by MrFrossty
Hey, genious, the point of my post, since it obvisouly traveled well over your head, was that the 5.0 should be matched up with the LS3 Camaro, rather than a 13 year engine and finding something this closely matched after 13 years is pretty impressive in itself. With that being said, the 5.0 has a slight advantage but the fact that this 13 year engine/technology is giving it one H*ll of a fight with a VERY close and accurate representation of what could have been 13 years ago is why. People can say track prep or gears or whatever but the bottom line is not every 5.0 that you run into on the street or track is going to be optimally optioned or conditions or equal drivers so this is a controlled display of real life. Let's compare the last year the LS1 was made(2002) for the F-Body and compare it to a 13 year old Mustang and watch what happens.
Lol really? Compare the 1/4 mile times/track times/ any times of the '11 ss and the '11 5.0. Nice try though, I always heard you guys loved your ls1's, but I had no idea you'd stretch the truth this far to just say they're still in the game. Again, I in no way shape or form do not like your guys' cars. To be frank, I love them capabilities/strength of them, but it's time to realize the mustang has FINALLY outdone the camaro...
9cobra4 is offline  



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:28 AM.