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Old 12-31-2010, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
GM did give up first, but dont hide from the fact that the Termis were around in 02'to stomp on the F-Body before it died.
and my f-body is here from 02 to stomp on the new 5.0 before IT dies!
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Originally Posted by Ke^in
He still has good 2v info. Nothing he said was lying. The only difference is your attitude.
Your just as bad. Combined you guys have about as much knowledge as a tuna fish sandwich
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
GM did give up first, but dont hide from the fact that the Termis were around in 02'to stomp on the F-Body before it died.



thats weird, i see Termis and C6 Z06's and 2010+ Camaros damned near everyday but i never see 5.0s. They must not be popular in the bay area. And they had to go another direction with the camaro. They couldnt use the same failed formula so they went IRS and more GT styled car. Its a good car.

This year alone I've only seen about 3-4 termi's. And I've seen about 5 5.0's. Yeah they are pretty popular around this area. I've always been wanting to run a 03-04 cobra to see how I would do against it.
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
from my experience my regular ole 96 Z28 kept up and was actually faster than the 96 SS on the top end. My friends 1998 cobra would walk away slowly at about 60


GM did give up first, but dont hide from the fact that the Termis were around in 02'to stomp on the F-Body before it died.


thats weird, i see Termis and C6 Z06's and 2010+ Camaros damned near everyday but i never see 5.0s. They must not be popular in the bay area. And they had to go another direction with the camaro. They couldnt use the same failed formula so they went IRS and more GT styled car. Its a good car.
LOL who's hiding? I agree with you on that point btw, they were around just long enough. But still, you have to agree with my other points, do you not? Concede sometimes man, jeez! lol.
Old 12-31-2010, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by oddwraith
LOL who's hiding? I agree with you on that point btw, they were around just long enough. But still, you have to agree with my other points, do you not? Concede sometimes man, jeez! lol.
LOL sheesh. Yes, same years GT they were slower!!! I dont even care that much i just like arguing.
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
from my experience my regular ole 96 Z28 kept up and was actually faster than the 96 SS on the top end. My friends 1998 cobra would walk away slowly at about 60.
Haha. Now that's halarious! The 96/97 SS's were solid 13-second cars, with many (including the magazines i.e. C&D, MCR, M/T, Car Craft, etc) running in the mid to high 13's at 102-106mph. Cobra's couldn't touch 'em without gears atleast.


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Originally Posted by m_liel
Haha. Now that's halarious! The 96/97 SS's were solid 13-second cars, with many (including the magazines i.e. C&D, MCR, M/T, Car Craft, etc) running in the mid to high 13's at 102-106mph. Cobra's couldn't touch 'em without gears atleast.
ive seen the times mags got with them and ive always wondered how. I just never saw the same numbers at the track! maybe they were the super special LT4 models. Everything ive read and experience says the Z28 and SS of those years were only marginally different......but believe me ive seen those mad times as well!!

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Originally Posted by m_liel
Haha. Now that's halarious! The 96/97 SS's were solid 13-second cars, with many (including the magazines i.e. C&D, MCR, M/T, Car Craft, etc) running in the mid to high 13's at 102-106mph. Cobra's couldn't touch 'em without gears atleast.

look at the other data they have on the bottom and look at what they did at the track. 13.85@101.5 for the camaro 14.1@99 for the cobra and 14.3@97.7 for the WS6. Sounds like theyre all close to me especially since the WS6 and Camaro are mechanically the same yet ran almost 4mph slower. if you average the 2 you get a run very similar to the Cobras, which aint too shabby considering how undergeared (and underpowered @low rpm) it was. Maybe thats why they pulled on the top end in the races ive experienced???

looks like

Kalitta= average driver
C/D= good driver
1/4mi= happy track
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
look at the other data they have on the bottom and look at what they did at the track. 13.85@101.5 for the camaro 14.1@99 for the cobra and 14.3@97.7 for the WS6. Sounds like theyre all close to me especially since the WS6 and Camaro are mechanically the same yet ran almost 4mph slower. if you average the 2 you get a run very similar to the Cobras, which aint too shabby considering how undergeared (and underpowered @low rpm) it was. Maybe thats why they pulled on the top end in the races ive experienced???

looks like

Kalitta= average driver
C/D= good driver
1/4mi= happy track
My point is, the LT1 SS outperformed the 96-98 Cobra, that's all .
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Originally Posted by oddwraith
I think what I was getting at was that two valve GTs weren't fast/quick in their day.
The only cars in it's class that was faster was the Fbodies. This would be like me saying since the 5.0 is the fastest pony car out now in production, that the rest aren't quick. Any car back in 2002 that was hitting 13s was considered fast.
A well driven average ls1 would run a 13.4-13.6, the comparalbe 2 valve GT of those years would not, and would not even average that with the 3valve incidentally.
2v could easily be got into the 13s. The best time I've seen from a 2v GT was a 13.6xx time. 5spd 99-04 GTs WITH a competent driver hit between 13.8 and 14.1 in the 1/4.
I was running these cars back in the day as a man in his twenties, not as a child 16 years old.
In 2002 I was almost 29. I wasn't a child either. I remember seeing stock Ls1 fbodies at the track hitting high 13s to mid 14s all the time at the track. But I never would go on a forum and say OMG TEH LS1s are teh slow!1 Why? because I knew what they were capable of.
I know what I remember and I don't remember any two valves ever being competion for fbodys stock for stock, ever! Dead thread!
You have a right to your own opinions. Just not your own facts.
And your opinions are wrong.
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Originally Posted by jetaws6
Had to quote this again

I know five people with 2v 2001 and 2002 gt's and the fastest one with full exhaust no cats 3.73 gears dr's preditor tune plenum k&n filter and I think throttle body still has hit only at best 13.6 with a 1.8 60'. The altitude is low at Cecil to and thats not beating a ls1
I know 20,000 people with LS1 fbodies and the fastest one with full exhaust, no cats, 3.73 gears, and DRs, with tune, and a K&N Filter and throttle body and still hits at best 14.5s. That's not beating anything. FOREVER!@!11

If that guys has those mods, and is only hitting 13.6s, he needs a driver mod.
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
the 2valve dudes compare their cars to the LT1 because they were dead even with them. I never owned a 2 valve GT but i owned an LT1 and i compared the car to the 2valve because they were generally the same speed and were good competition for eachother. I didnt compare the LS1 vs the LT1 so much because the LS1 was too fast and out of the league of the LT1, much like LS1 owners dont really like to talk about the 03 Cobras.
Stop making sense :-)

Originally Posted by RED94Z28
Your just as bad. Combined you guys have about as much knowledge as a tuna fish sandwich
Got anymore verbal masturbation to post? For someone that complains about knowledge, or know how, you sure do talk a lot of smack.

BTW you're wrong.
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Originally Posted by m_liel
My point is, the LT1 SS outperformed the 96-98 Cobra, that's all .
do you think LT1 WS6's were slow in comparison then??
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Is there an ignore button feature on LS1Tech??
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Originally Posted by m_liel
Is there an ignore button feature on LS1Tech??
Do you often attempt to hide from the truth?
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
do you think LT1 WS6's were slow in comparison then??
I dunno you tell me? They're virtually the same car so they should be just as capable. Being a former LT1 SS owner (Sebring Silver '97 M6) I can attest only to how they performed. Mine wen't 13.7-13.8 @ 103-105 all day at MIR with a best of 13.71. My dad's '96 stripper car went 13.6 @ a hair under 106 mph. This was in 1997-98. I can't remember a 4v Cobra getting anywhere near that at the time but I could be wrong (although I seriously doubt I am, lol).
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Originally Posted by m_liel
I dunno you tell me? They're virtually the same car so they should be just as capable. Being a former LT1 SS owner (Sebring Silver '97 M6) I can attest only to how they performed. Mine wen't 13.7-13.8 @ 103-105 all day at MIR with a best of 13.71. My dad's '96 stripper car went 13.6 @ a hair under 106 mph. This was in 1997-98. I can't remember a 4v Cobra getting anywhere near that at the time but I could be wrong (although I seriously doubt I am, lol).
This is true! I wen't 13.70's at 104 in my old '97 SS as well. Car was fully optioned w/ the exception of ASR. Those cars are so rare that most people just aren't up on what they can do.
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Originally Posted by Ke^in
Do you often attempt to hide from the truth?
So why didn't you answer my question earlier? What did your stock 2-valve run in the 1/4? Pics of it?

Are you attempting to hide from the truth?
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Originally Posted by m_liel
I dunno you tell me? They're virtually the same car so they should be just as capable. Being a former LT1 SS owner (Sebring Silver '97 M6) I can attest only to how they performed. Mine wen't 13.7-13.8 @ 103-105 all day at MIR with a best of 13.71. My dad's '96 stripper car went 13.6 @ a hair under 106 mph. This was in 1997-98. I can't remember a 4v Cobra getting anywhere near that at the time but I could be wrong (although I seriously doubt I am, lol).
while i dont doubt those times, those trap speeds seem kinda high are awfully close to LS1 territory. what have you ran in your ls1? The trap speeds for the SS and WS6 cars are so all over the board (from 96mph to 107mph) that i think a lot of these got the LT4's kinda like how they used Ls6 crap on the 02's

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Originally Posted by LT/LS Guy
So why didn't you answer my question earlier? What did your stock 2-valve run in the 1/4?
13.9 was the best I could do out of three runs. The only mod I had/have in my car is a MGW STS.
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Pics of it?

Are you attempting to hide from the truth?


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