5.0 vs 2000 ss
04-02-2011, 12:10 AM
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A Cleveland would be nice don't get me wrong. I just like the idea of all that torque from an 03 mill in a sub-3,000lb vehicle. My Cobra was nasty at a curb weight of about 3500. Just imagine 500 or so pounds shaved off that. 
plus all you need is a pulley swap and your in the 10's.
plus all you need is a pulley swap and your in the 10's.
Come to think of it, I'd expect the '03/4 Cobra engine(complete) is more than 200 lb heavier than the old 5L... Of course, the 351W(not to mention C) is also heavier and any of the 3 would easily make and survive more power.
04-02-2011, 12:59 AM
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I'll admit I dont know much about the cleveland but I wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole(same goes for sbc or bbc). LSA in a notch would be cool too. Good thing I build my cars for my own satisfaction and not closet lsx lovers lol
04-02-2011, 01:00 AM
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04-02-2011, 06:51 AM
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How much weight would you be removing to get a sub 3k Fox body while using that EXCEEDINGLY heavy S/C'd DOHC 4.6L? The FOX body with the OHV 5L tipped the scales around 3300... You're talking about adding a roughly 200 lb heavier engine. Planning to remove even the wheels, or what?
Come to think of it, I'd expect the '03/4 Cobra engine(complete) is more than 200 lb heavier than the old 5L... Of course, the 351W(not to mention C) is also heavier and any of the 3 would easily make and survive more power.
Come to think of it, I'd expect the '03/4 Cobra engine(complete) is more than 200 lb heavier than the old 5L... Of course, the 351W(not to mention C) is also heavier and any of the 3 would easily make and survive more power.
Besides. I think Redfire was referring to taking an 03/4 4V motor and dropping it into a sub-3k# fox.
Gotta start paying attention man.
04-02-2011, 09:13 AM
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04-02-2011, 11:12 AM
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One might think my direct question, "How much weight would you be removing?" would suggest I have heard of weight reduction. Maybe I wasn't paying attention to my question.
It would no longer be under 3k, unless it was already lightened to close to or under 2500. Not that 2500 would be difficult sans engine. I'm pretty sure my old '87 was around 2700 with a 408. That's lighter than an '03/4 Cobra engine, but not by 300+ lb. Still, based on that experience, I'd use the same basic powerplant if I were building one today. 500+rwhp N/A and absolutely street driven. Gets a little pricey, but it's quite durable and w/ nitrous can easily be a 9 second car. I could probably build one today for about 7k. When I did it, the parts were more expensive. I used heads never before used (hand ported by Brian Tooley) in this particular form and several other parts rarely seen by the GP, like an actual SVO block, solid roller lifters, a then newly designed Super Victor 351W intake and forged everything.
You got me... 
That's probably (at least partly) because it's so rare to see a 9 second LS1, SS or otherwise. There've been hundreds of FOX bodies in that range or quicker. The 1st one I remember was in S. FL and used a measily 306 with a ton of juice. It was a "canary" yellow 88 hatchback and ran 9.30's in about 1994. It also used an R block.
Besides. I think Redfire was referring to taking an 03/4 4V motor and dropping it into a sub-3k# fox.
Gotta start paying attention man.
That's probably (at least partly) because it's so rare to see a 9 second LS1, SS or otherwise. There've been hundreds of FOX bodies in that range or quicker. The 1st one I remember was in S. FL and used a measily 306 with a ton of juice. It was a "canary" yellow 88 hatchback and ran 9.30's in about 1994. It also used an R block.
04-02-2011, 12:14 PM
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The 4.6L '03/4 engine is great, but a Cleveland is no slouch. That said, I'd use a W block, perhaps with C heads.If I were to do that build, I would start with a LX Hatch. Bring it down to about 2700# and drop an 03/04 mill in there...But! I would go with a Teksid block over stock iron which will still pretty much handle anything you throw at it. Plus its about 85lbs lighter. That would put the car right around 3000#!
04-02-2011, 01:32 PM
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The foxbody platform is so well suited for drag racing it really doesn't matter what motor you stick under there. Any V8 making decent power should move a fox along quite good. I think guys just like to be different with them now as the old Windsor pushrods have been beatin to death. That's why I switched to modulars because I got bored with them. And then I got bored with modulars and switched to LSX. Im sure ill get tired of these at some point and be onto something else. lol
Agreed and good points
I went with an R block back in 01 because no one had the Dart in stock. Geez that was expensive but at the time a 351 based motor meant a cowl hood for clearance-no way wanted to look stock. Thats only thing on the car I got raped on.
Crazy 5 years and more ago you saw Foxes everywhere on the street. Now you rarely see a clean one on the street at least in MD
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04-02-2011, 01:48 PM
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Id probably start off with the pulley/bolt-on setup, 04 Mystichrome paint and chrome FR500 wheels for street use.
04-02-2011, 02:18 PM
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Agreed and good points
I went with an R block back in 01 because no one had the Dart in stock. Geez that was expensive but at the time a 351 based motor meant a cowl hood for clearance-no way wanted to look stock. Thats only thing on the car I got raped on.
Good choice
Crazy 5 years and more ago you saw Foxes everywhere on the street. Now you rarely see a clean one on the street at least in MD
I went with an R block back in 01 because no one had the Dart in stock. Geez that was expensive but at the time a 351 based motor meant a cowl hood for clearance-no way wanted to look stock. Thats only thing on the car I got raped on.
Good choice
Crazy 5 years and more ago you saw Foxes everywhere on the street. Now you rarely see a clean one on the street at least in MD
04-02-2011, 03:36 PM
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https://ls1tech.com/forums/vehicle-c...tang-sale.html
LSx cheap to build, high hp capabilities with off the shelve parts, easy to tune, great mpg, 1000hp capable crank. I would say its the most popular engine swap for a reason (RX7's, Mustangs, any Chevy, Porsches etc). They must be doing something right. You don't see too many 80's camaros with Ford powerplants
04-02-2011, 03:44 PM
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https://ls1tech.com/forums/vehicle-c...tang-sale.html
LSx cheap to build, high hp capabilities with off the shelve parts, easy to tune, great mpg, 1000hp capable crank. I would say its the most popular engine swap for a reason (RX7's, Mustangs, any Chevy, Porsches etc). They must be doing something right. You don't see too many 80's camaros with Ford powerplants
No one said a LSX wasn't a great motor. It was just said you aren't smart enough to make a Ford power plant run fast.
04-02-2011, 07:10 PM
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They are a dime a dozen but for a good reason. I like different cars as well but if you want to build a cheap fast car they are hard to beat.