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Old 08-06-2011, 01:56 AM
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Has the ZR1 been pushed yet? The GT-R has now broke into the 8's with full interior. That is the 2012. Not bad for a car that has been out what 6 months.
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Originally Posted by WhiteKnight '01
Get off your high horse and think about what you're saying before you say it. First off my "location" has nothing to do with my intelligence. I'm not from Missisippi, I just live here, and I know it's supposedly full of dumb people, I get the stupid stereotype. FYI, I'm 22, not 16, but nice guess.

Next, the supercharged '03 and '04 are faster than the LS1, I know that. But that's why I said the LS1 is faster than any NATURALLY ASPIRATED Mustang! That means no blower, no supercharger, none of that. Comprehend?

Also, I never said the same year Camaro was faster than the same year Mustang, stop twisting my words. I said the LS1 in particular is faster than any 2010 Mustang and prior that is NATURALLY ASPIRATED! (NO BLOWER, NO SUPERCHARGER, NO TURBOCHARGER) I hate repeating myself.

And yes, I know the F-bodies were not built with quality in mind. I own one. I also have a friend who has a 1996 Cobra, which I like and respect very much. Trust me, Mustangs don't have much more in the way of "quality" when compared to a Camaro.

And lastly, he is going to misspell "Camaro" to "Camero" on purpose? That's supposed to be an insult? misspelling a car name? Maybe if he called it "slowmaro" or something, but spelling it "Camero" deliberately is just stupid.
Hmm... And what did I say I knew, but didn't know?

If you really knew what you're trying to talk about, you'd shut up. There were ABSOLUTELY Mustangs from 1993-2002 which outperformed the Camaro. Though you don't know about it, the 2000 Cobra R I mentioned would SPANK any production 4th gen GM offered. Not just beat it, but ANNIHILATE it! For your information, it was naturally aspirated.
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Nope. Wrong again, for the 50,000th time.
What, the GT-R costs more than the ZR1?

I personally think the ZR1 is more of a performer, but harder to drive. Price, however, surely favors the GT-R.
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
Do some of you realize that Saleens could be ordered from your Ford dealer and came with the factory warranty as did some Steeda Gts. I seem to remember a blown S351 Saleen back in 95 that ran low 12s in stock form and trapped 117MPH. With just slicks and skinnies it really got ugly fast. If you dislike Mustangs fine but get your facts straight. Just because a car is faster than another doesn't make it a POS.
There were some Roush versions as well...
Old 08-06-2011, 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by It'llrun
There were ABSOLUTELY Mustangs from 1993-2002 which outperformed the Camaro. Though you don't know about it, the 2000 Cobra R I mentioned would SPANK any production 4th gen GM offered.
Yeah but with all due respect the R wasn't available to the general public, certainly not the same buying public that could only afford to buy an F body. That being said the R was one awesome piece. I wonder what they go for now...
Old 08-06-2011, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by myk
Yeah but with all due respect the R wasn't available to the general public, certainly not the same buying public that could only afford to buy an F body. That being said the R was one awesome piece. I wonder what they go for now...
There was only like 300 made. Its also hard to find one stock. Last one I seen stock they still wanted like 45k for.

This one has only 118 miles on it and is at 52k already.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-...fCarsQ5fTrucks
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300 Cobra R's made? It was a rare car, not available to sale for the general public. I rest my case about the LS1 beating any N/A Mustang, point proven.

Now we have OhioBorn looking up drag times and 0-60 times from all these unreliable sources over the internet, trying to show that the ZR1 is slow. Just give it up, you're making yourself look bad.

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Originally Posted by It'llrun
Wow... You've got some serious growing up to do. Here's a start. Your car is NOT that quick... Somehow, you still sit there and brag about what others can't do and you COULD, but don't. How about getting your car into the 10's? Others have been there for over a decade now... Where you AT??? All this crapola from you while the guys with REALLY quick F-bodies generally sit back quietly, knowing what they can do/have done... but you never did. Many W/O an engine swap have done far better than you ever have.

Oh, I know, you wouldn't wanna make it any quicker because then it may not be a DD... I kinda wonder why you talk more trash than Ali in his prime, but unlike Ali, you aren't capable of really backing it up on game day. I mean, even 10's aren't gonna net you any crowns in the racing world of 2011.

I was about to guess that you're 16... Then I realized where you live... I digress. He evidently made a point to incorrectly spell Camaro as well as crack on its many shortcomings, oh maestro of the mindset...

That said, 1993-2002 Camaro models were superior to every Mustang Ford built... Oh... Well, that just settles it, since you came along and cleared it all up...

Quicker than some, superior to none... Have you ANY idea the quality difference in various automobiles? The F-body was simply never built with quality being the main attraction. If you think it was, you've probably not been inside many other vehicles.

The 4th gen was quicker than every Mustang Ford built... Except those it wasn't quicker than... Which '95 Camaro was superior(quicker) to the 1995 Cobra R? Which 4th gen was superior(quicker) to the 2000 Cobra R? Which 4th gen was quicker than the 2003/4 Cobra? Those are 3 models which Ford built... I think they're all part of "every Mustang" so far...

Your "guarnateed" statement has no promise worthy of notice because it's 100% incorrect and inaccurate on its face.
Your a dumbass....what do you have?
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
As above you sound like a ricer. Well they put a blower on it, that just isn't fair. That be liek ford guys saying well you have 1.5L's more or your engine is 56cu. in. more. So all GM cars with engines same size as us. GM could have done the same thing. And look after so many years they are now doing it. CTS-V/ZL1.
Not our problem ford produced a pissy *** little motor.....Your already on e 85 and only ran a high 11.....WEAK.....I bet the other's you posted had a to hot tune for 93 in them to....WEAK again
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
Ofcourse we are jealous of your superior Camero! I just can't get over the impetuous detail GM gave the cars. The quality of the interior, the crisp tightness of the door handles, the windows that roll completely down in half a second...Ford, why aren't you taking notes!?
Holding up much better than the fords......how's that drivers seat looking? Has it completely collapsed like every mach I've looked in? Chassis on the camaro is much stronger also...that's why they handle well w/o a bunch of stiffening crap.
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Originally Posted by Packy
I will drag your *** with my DD! Yes, it is a Ford with no weight reduction and 5 mods.
What you got???? I'll pull a stopsign.....you drive to me.
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Originally Posted by automach1
I think its time to ls6 swap the mach.... Not lol
There is no doubt it would be ALOT ******* faster...probally get better mpg's to.
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Don't haul hit....drive it if it's a real street car.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
There is no doubt it would be ALOT ******* faster...probally get better mpg's to.
You're right. The LS1 got a lot better fuel economy than the same years GT/Cobra/Mach 1. An LS1 equipped with a 6spd manual was rated at 18city/27highway.
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Originally Posted by WhiteKnight '01
You're right. The LS1 got a lot better fuel economy than the same years GT/Cobra/Mach 1. An LS1 equipped with a 6spd manual was rated at 18city/27highway.
Ya cause that what really got. Get out here.
People really seen like 13 city and 18-22hwy.
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Oh a little comparison of the yrs...Looks like the Mustang have been favored more years then the Camaro. Specially since no camaro to ompare from 02-09

Year/model/horsepower 0-60 mph, sec e.t./mph
'64 Mustang Hi-Po, 271 7.5 15.7/89.0
'65 Shelby GT350, 306 7.0 15.7/91.0
'67 Camaro SS-350, 295 8.0 15.4/90.0
'68 Shelby GT500, 360 6.5 14.8/98.0
'69 Camaro RS 350, 300 8.3 15.9/88.0
'69 Mustang Mach 351, 290 7.5 15.6/88.0
'71 Camaro Z/28, 330 7.6 15.4/90.0
'71 Mustang Mach 1 429, 370 6.5 14.6/96.8
'75 Mustang Cobra II, 140 9.6 17.5/78.0
'77 Camaro Z-28, 170 8.1 15.4/90.1
'82 Camaro Z-28, 165 9.4 17.1/80.7
'82 Mustang GT 5.0, 157 8.6 16.7/81.0
'87 Camaro IROC Z, 230 6.7 15.2/91.2
'87 Mustang GT 5.0, 225 6.5 15.1/94.1
'93 Camaro Z28, 275 6.2 14.7/96.9
'95 SVT Mustang Cobra R, 280 5.2 13.8/102.0

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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
Ya cause that what really got. Get out here.
People really seen like 13 city and 18-22hwy.
i averaged 28-29 on the highway on a 100 mile trip
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
Ya cause that what really got. Get out here.
People really seen like 13 city and 18-22hwy.
13 city and 22 highway? That's WAY off from what the paper says, you think they're that inaccurate?

Have you ever even owned an LS1? I DO happen to own one, and it's an automatic. And I can assure you I get a LOT better than 18-22 highway. I average 26MPG on the highway, and 16 around the city.

13 and 22? You're just pulling numbers out of your ***.
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Originally Posted by WhiteKnight '01
13 city and 22 highway? That's WAY off from what the paper says, you think they're that inaccurate?

Have you ever even owned an LS1? I DO happen to own one, and it's an automatic. And I can assure you I get a LOT better than 18-22 highway. I average 26MPG on the highway, and 16 around the city.

13 and 22? You're just pulling numbers out of your ***.
Nope I owned a L76. hence my sig..Which with DOD i still didn't average that kinda gas mileage. While my buddies had there LS1's I had a Cobra. They all bitched about how their mpg sucked. None them got over 24mpg on the highway averaging 70-75. Or better in the city of about 15.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Don't haul hit....drive it if it's a real street car.


Says the guy that wants everybody to DRIVE to him to race


You don't have a leg to stand on unless you come to him or at minimum meet half way.


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