GTP vs bolt on LS1 SS
01-16-2012, 04:08 PM
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This took me 3 minutes to find.
http://montecarloforum.com/forum/nit...install-16071/
http://montecarloforum.com/forum/nit...install-16071/
And it says that he made 50 whp over a stock supercharged car after the intercooler install.
01-16-2012, 04:13 PM
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results are in, and with just the intercooler install alone, it netted me an extra 14WHP.
01-16-2012, 04:18 PM
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Yeah 14 whp with the shorty IC. Full size would have been a good 20-25 whp probably. And the whole point of running a full size IC on those cars is to run MORE BOOST AND TIMING. Hardly anyone cares about the power you gain from just the temp drop on the same pulley/timing. You're pretty narrow minded for even talking about it.
01-16-2012, 04:29 PM
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Yeah 14 whp with the shorty IC. Full size would have been a good 20-25 whp probably. And the whole point of running a full size IC on those cars is to run MORE BOOST AND TIMING. Hardly anyone cares about the power you gain from just the temp drop on the same pulley/timing. You're pretty narrow minded for even talking about it.
You do know that intercooler depth is actually more important because with a tall intercooler you still need a bigger opening to allow the incoming air to go through the entire surface area. Since the GTP doesn't have a huge opening running a deeper intercooler is better than running a taller one.
I'm not narrowminded, I actually know quite a few things about FI.
01-16-2012, 04:39 PM
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Wait, let me get this right. You say it's not important to drop IAT's using an IC, but more important to run more boost and timing? You do know that the cooler and denser the air you can get into the engine the more resistant to knock and detonation it would be, right? With more resistance to knock and detonation with a cooler intake charge you can get away with running a little more boost and a tad bit of timing.
You do know that intercooler depth is actually more important because with a tall intercooler you still need a bigger opening to allow the incoming air to go through the entire surface area. Since the GTP doesn't have a huge opening running a deeper intercooler is better than running a taller one.
I'm not narrowminded, I actually know quite a few things about FI.
You do know that intercooler depth is actually more important because with a tall intercooler you still need a bigger opening to allow the incoming air to go through the entire surface area. Since the GTP doesn't have a huge opening running a deeper intercooler is better than running a taller one.
I'm not narrowminded, I actually know quite a few things about FI.
Quit trying to twist my words around. You're just trying to troll. Why else would you be arguing about what power gains an IC gives on the same pulley and timing? If you're so smart and you know so much about FI then you would have realized what myself and Ju1ce initially meant when we said an IC would net roughly a 50whp increase in power. That or you're just plain stupid.
The full size IC has more fluid channels and is deeper. It drops the temps about TWICE as much as that heat soaking short stack IC.
01-16-2012, 05:02 PM
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Yeah 14 whp with the shorty IC. Full size would have been a good 20-25 whp probably. And the whole point of running a full size IC on those cars is to run MORE BOOST AND TIMING. Hardly anyone cares about the power you gain from just the temp drop on the same pulley/timing. You're pretty narrow minded for even talking about it.
LOL!!! Where in the **** did I say lower IAT's were not important?? If that were true then there would be no purpose for an InterCOOLER. God damn man are you serious?
Quit trying to twist my words around. You're just trying to troll. Why else would you be arguing about what power gains an IC gives on the same pulley and timing? If you're so smart and you know so much about FI then you would have realized what myself and Ju1ce initially meant when we said an IC would net roughly a 50whp increase in power. That or you're just plain stupid.
The full size IC has more fluid channels and is deeper. It drops the temps about TWICE as much as that heat soaking short stack IC.
Quit trying to twist my words around. You're just trying to troll. Why else would you be arguing about what power gains an IC gives on the same pulley and timing? If you're so smart and you know so much about FI then you would have realized what myself and Ju1ce initially meant when we said an IC would net roughly a 50whp increase in power. That or you're just plain stupid.
The full size IC has more fluid channels and is deeper. It drops the temps about TWICE as much as that heat soaking short stack IC.
You do know that I have two turbo cars right? Both of which have air to air intercoolers and collectively both cars make over 1000whp. I think I have a much better understanding of an intercoolers function. Unless you push some serious hp, those intercoolers are going to give you 10-20whp. If you want 50+whp you are going to have to do some sort of methanol injection to drop IAT's further while upping the octane during spark which will allow you to run more boost and timing while being more knock resistant.
01-16-2012, 05:13 PM
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LOL!!! Where in the **** did I say lower IAT's were not important?? If that were true then there would be no purpose for an InterCOOLER. God damn man are you serious?
Quit trying to twist my words around. You're just trying to troll. Why else would you be arguing about what power gains an IC gives on the same pulley and timing? If you're so smart and you know so much about FI then you would have realized what myself and Ju1ce initially meant when we said an IC would net roughly a 50whp increase in power. That or you're just plain stupid.
The full size IC has more fluid channels and is deeper. It drops the temps about TWICE as much as that heat soaking short stack IC.
Quit trying to twist my words around. You're just trying to troll. Why else would you be arguing about what power gains an IC gives on the same pulley and timing? If you're so smart and you know so much about FI then you would have realized what myself and Ju1ce initially meant when we said an IC would net roughly a 50whp increase in power. That or you're just plain stupid.
The full size IC has more fluid channels and is deeper. It drops the temps about TWICE as much as that heat soaking short stack IC.
01-16-2012, 05:15 PM
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For just about the same price, throw 243 heads and a Cam+ headers into an LS1 = extra 100 RWHP. Ask me how I know... The W bodies are impressive for what they are but nowhere near the Platform that an Fbody is. Throw FI onto an Fbody and its a whole nother story
01-16-2012, 05:21 PM
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In summary:
I like COD better
. Regals and GTPs are what they are, nothing special. Lemons very likely forgot more than Fury ever knew. Stopsign is an *******, but at least he gets it and speaks the truth. Juice likes to turn heads and raise eyebrows, but is still very "low brow". Finally, this thread is garbage and wouldn't even pass off as a good troll thread. ******' regals and gtps, lol.
Prove THAT wrong.
I like COD better
. Regals and GTPs are what they are, nothing special. Lemons very likely forgot more than Fury ever knew. Stopsign is an *******, but at least he gets it and speaks the truth. Juice likes to turn heads and raise eyebrows, but is still very "low brow". Finally, this thread is garbage and wouldn't even pass off as a good troll thread. ******' regals and gtps, lol.Prove THAT wrong.
01-16-2012, 05:24 PM
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You are saying a drop in temps is not important, I can't help but think you are talking about intake air temperature(IAT) as the topic is about an IC. Air-to-Air intercooler don't move fluid so not sure why you mentioned fluid channels anyway. I'm saying an IC does help, but no 50whp is going to come of it on that platform. Maybe on an ls1 pushing 600-700+whp would you see an increase of 50whp, but expecting a 240whp engine to gain 50whp from an IC upgrade is laughable.
You do know that I have two turbo cars right? Both of which have air to air intercoolers and collectively both cars make over 1000whp. I think I have a much better understanding of an intercoolers function. Unless you push some serious hp, those intercoolers are going to give you 10-20whp. If you want 50+whp you are going to have to do some sort of methanol injection to drop IAT's further while upping the octane during spark which will allow you to run more boost and timing while being more knock resistant.
You do know that I have two turbo cars right? Both of which have air to air intercoolers and collectively both cars make over 1000whp. I think I have a much better understanding of an intercoolers function. Unless you push some serious hp, those intercoolers are going to give you 10-20whp. If you want 50+whp you are going to have to do some sort of methanol injection to drop IAT's further while upping the octane during spark which will allow you to run more boost and timing while being more knock resistant.
01-16-2012, 05:30 PM
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Yeah, that car is soooo homo. Stupid bimmer owners!!!
I gave up on you. When I pose the question you can't show me anything to back up your argument. Instead you go low-brow(to borrow from another member) and try to make a failed dig at me while not offering any sort of technical rebuttal. .
I gave up on you. When I pose the question you can't show me anything to back up your argument. Instead you go low-brow(to borrow from another member) and try to make a failed dig at me while not offering any sort of technical rebuttal. .
01-16-2012, 05:36 PM
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Yeah, that car is soooo homo. Stupid bimmer owners!!!
I gave up on you. When I pose the question you can't show me anything to back up your argument. Instead you go low-brow(to borrow from another member) and try to make a failed dig at me while not offering any sort of technical rebuttal. .
I gave up on you. When I pose the question you can't show me anything to back up your argument. Instead you go low-brow(to borrow from another member) and try to make a failed dig at me while not offering any sort of technical rebuttal. .
Clearly you're not equipped to be in such a discussion.