Bolt on 5.0, beats 4th gen 427 stroker camaro SS
02-25-2014, 03:46 PM
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I wasn't even aware the 5.0 can reach that kinda of power NA that's why I was asking you lol. Theirs a guy locally that has a boss with a tune and axle backs and it's pretty impressive the way it runs for the minimal mods it has. I defiantly want to see the new z28 in action.
02-25-2014, 03:50 PM
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I wasn't even aware the 5.0 can reach that kinda of power NA that's why I was asking you lol. Theirs a guy locally that has a boss with a tune and axle backs and it's pretty impressive the way it runs for the minimal mods it has. I defiantly want to see the new z28 in action.
If the Z28 keeps the same drivetrain that the other models have... it will likely make 10-15whp less then a C6Z06. Of course drivetrain can be fixed in the aftermarket.
02-25-2014, 04:09 PM
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You didn't know what the **** you were talking about, the 429 was not a SOHC and it was produced in a car you could buy. Dumbshit.
Keep squirming in your chair, little buddy.
Now I see you're mad because Mike gave you examples that blew your mind
02-26-2014, 12:07 AM
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02-26-2014, 06:38 AM
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I see you addressed almost none of my post
You didn't know what the **** you were talking about, the 429 was not a SOHC and it was produced in a car you could buy. Dumbshit.
Keep squirming in your chair, little buddy.
Now I see you're mad because Mike gave you examples that blew your mind
You didn't know what the **** you were talking about, the 429 was not a SOHC and it was produced in a car you could buy. Dumbshit.
Keep squirming in your chair, little buddy.
Now I see you're mad because Mike gave you examples that blew your mind
I meant and already said the sohc engine, got my #'s confused as it is a 427. And no from my research it was never put in a "production" car. Thus meaning it had no rpo and was a over the counter engine.
Mike gave hypothetical builds with no real life examples. Then did not want me to use a airlid on a f-car compared to his full on fard performance parts build......nuff said.
I think it's about 20k more. Wasn't a Boss ls like 55k? Besides the cheaper 1le will hand it to a Boss.
Not at all on either.
02-26-2014, 08:24 AM
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Don't want trouble... don't start trouble.
I meant and already said the sohc engine, got my #'s confused as it is a 427. And no from my research it was never put in a "production" car. Thus meaning it had no rpo and was a over the counter engine.
As for the production issues, I'm not gonna bother anymore aside from 2 things. #1, just because you can't find information, doesn't mean it isn't there. #2, you're the one who posed the OVER $24,000 LSX454 to us... Is THAT in a production automobile now, that the rest of the planet is not aware???
Mike gave hypothetical builds with no real life examples. Then did not want me to use a airlid on a f-car compared to his full on fard performance parts build......nuff said.
I think it's about 20k more. Wasn't a Boss ls like 55k? Besides the cheaper 1le will hand it to a Boss.
More over, the 1LE has NOTHING to do with the fact that another member said he's waiting to see the Z/28.
and try to maintain a direction rather than going all over and confusing the **** out of yourself.
Not at all on either.
I do agree though, N/A builds aren't gay... They simply can't get the job done properly in heads up competition without spending far, far more money and using a stout foundation from the start... like a big block foundation.
02-26-2014, 08:37 AM
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I looked very hard and the best I could truly verify was that NASCAR did say Ford had produced enough street drivers to meet the standard... Well, plus I found that there were 100 Thunderbolts, all of which were street legal back then, Of course, I was certainly of the mindset the T-bolt actually got a Wedge or Side Oiler, but it's not easy to tell what's what from back then because MUCH was not exactly straight forward documentation. There was also the Mercury Comet Cyclone. Aside from that, I know it's said to have gone into the Galaxie, which is what the T-bolt was if I remember correctly.
Now then... TASCA Ford did several installations over the years(probably still does) and those may have been their cars... On the other hand, I found absolute info claiming the T-bolt specifically, went to a fab shop after Ford built them including their engines, for roll cage work or the like... Again, I personally thought that got the Side Oiler. The Comet Cyclone... I can't get enough info.
I did just find a story about a drag racer and the guy in charge of factory supported motors at Ford... Fran something. According to that, the ended up with what raced in the A/FX class with a factory supplied Comet with a 427 SOHC... I know these cars existed, no question.
The only question is, how would we classify their sales... They were built and were sold, but basically nobody who bought one ever drove it on the street... They did get a factory VIN though, apparently. With that, we also know the engine was built STRICTLY for NASCAR, where it dominated until Chrysler threatened to do what it ultimately did... pull out, if NASCAR didn't ban the engine, which it did.
I've never bought one so... I have seen at least 1 at a car show. It was a Mercury and the guy had signs around it with various information. He definitely claimed that he bought it new in 1965, from a Mercury dealer and he was old enough and wealthy enough that it seemed to fit.
Now then... TASCA Ford did several installations over the years(probably still does) and those may have been their cars... On the other hand, I found absolute info claiming the T-bolt specifically, went to a fab shop after Ford built them including their engines, for roll cage work or the like... Again, I personally thought that got the Side Oiler. The Comet Cyclone... I can't get enough info.
I did just find a story about a drag racer and the guy in charge of factory supported motors at Ford... Fran something. According to that, the ended up with what raced in the A/FX class with a factory supplied Comet with a 427 SOHC... I know these cars existed, no question.
The only question is, how would we classify their sales... They were built and were sold, but basically nobody who bought one ever drove it on the street... They did get a factory VIN though, apparently. With that, we also know the engine was built STRICTLY for NASCAR, where it dominated until Chrysler threatened to do what it ultimately did... pull out, if NASCAR didn't ban the engine, which it did.
I've never bought one so... I have seen at least 1 at a car show. It was a Mercury and the guy had signs around it with various information. He definitely claimed that he bought it new in 1965, from a Mercury dealer and he was old enough and wealthy enough that it seemed to fit.
02-26-2014, 08:48 AM
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That's right... EVERYONE BUT HoHo is twisting... He's the VICTIM here... Don't want trouble... don't start trouble.
You mean SOHC, but didn 't know what the Hell you were talking about, so you screwed up... we know.
As for the production issues, I'm not gonna bother anymore aside from 2 things. #1, just because you can't find information, doesn't mean it isn't there. #2, you're the one who posed the OVER $24,000 LSX454 to us... Is THAT in a production automobile now, that the rest of the planet is not aware???
Mine was a real life example and made over 500rwhp.
More "don't know what I'm talking about" stuff... The Laguna Seca version was way up there. The Boss 302 was well under that price, more like 45k.
More over, the 1LE has NOTHING to do with the fact that another member said he's waiting to see the Z/28. and try to maintain a direction rather than going all over and confusing the **** out of yourself.
Of course not, because you just said so and without a doubt, you're stone cold and you know everything...
I do agree though, N/A builds aren't gay... They simply can't get the job done properly in heads up competition without spending far, far more money and using a stout foundation from the start... like a big block foundation.
Don't want trouble... don't start trouble.You mean SOHC, but didn 't know what the Hell you were talking about, so you screwed up... we know.
As for the production issues, I'm not gonna bother anymore aside from 2 things. #1, just because you can't find information, doesn't mean it isn't there. #2, you're the one who posed the OVER $24,000 LSX454 to us... Is THAT in a production automobile now, that the rest of the planet is not aware???
Mine was a real life example and made over 500rwhp.
More "don't know what I'm talking about" stuff... The Laguna Seca version was way up there. The Boss 302 was well under that price, more like 45k.
More over, the 1LE has NOTHING to do with the fact that another member said he's waiting to see the Z/28.
and try to maintain a direction rather than going all over and confusing the **** out of yourself.Of course not, because you just said so and without a doubt, you're stone cold and you know everything...
I do agree though, N/A builds aren't gay... They simply can't get the job done properly in heads up competition without spending far, far more money and using a stout foundation from the start... like a big block foundation.
02-26-2014, 08:48 AM
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if you guys can't see these guys twisting **** from every direction you should just give up at life.
I told you which one I meant but in your true fashion you just keep dragging it out.
I meant and already said the sohc engine, got my #'s confused as it is a 427. And no from my research it was never put in a "production" car. Thus meaning it had no rpo and was a over the counter engine.
Mike gave hypothetical builds with no real life examples. Then did not want me to use a airlid on a f-car compared to his full on fard performance parts build......nuff said.
I think it's about 20k more. Wasn't a Boss ls like 55k? Besides the cheaper 1le will hand it to a Boss.
Not at all on either.
I told you which one I meant but in your true fashion you just keep dragging it out.
I meant and already said the sohc engine, got my #'s confused as it is a 427. And no from my research it was never put in a "production" car. Thus meaning it had no rpo and was a over the counter engine.
Mike gave hypothetical builds with no real life examples. Then did not want me to use a airlid on a f-car compared to his full on fard performance parts build......nuff said.
I think it's about 20k more. Wasn't a Boss ls like 55k? Besides the cheaper 1le will hand it to a Boss.
Not at all on either.
02-26-2014, 09:23 AM
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Some class racing allows either and the BB foundations of over 500 cubes tend to do fairly well. Of course, the F.I entries are LIMITED in cubic inches, you're right... I didn't FULLY think that through.
Bottom line: When there are rules to what ya run, anything can be competitive, but when it's truly heads up, N//A will ALWAYS lose.
02-26-2014, 09:33 AM
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You're welcome! I only wish I could be more absolute with photo verification and perhaps VIN and total model info.
Dude... You're gonna "rule" him out ...
There's what I was telling you earlier... He'll "twist" things and blame you(and everyone else) as if you're not bright enough to see it. Honestly, I do think he gets so caught up in his, "I'll make myself look like the winner somehow" mindset that he doesn't actually focus on the topic and instead spends his time trying to duck around any rules he didn't implement himself. His goal is clear: Remove ANY and ALL advantages you may have while not only retaining, but GAINING any and all he can in the process.
Left to him, even though you brought this up and told him EXACTLY what you'd use, he'll have it changed to you being limited to a 260 V8 with iron heads and a 2bbl vs the GM LSX454...
You could use the lid-the black wing. I just said you SHOULDN'T since we were using factory parts to prove that Ford could build a n/a motor with Ford parts. Hence me saying ported LPE heads was kind of silly since it wasn't really a GM design. Sure my examples I made up but they have been done many times by people and its easy to predict how much power they have,
There's what I was telling you earlier... He'll "twist" things and blame you(and everyone else) as if you're not bright enough to see it. Honestly, I do think he gets so caught up in his, "I'll make myself look like the winner somehow" mindset that he doesn't actually focus on the topic and instead spends his time trying to duck around any rules he didn't implement himself. His goal is clear: Remove ANY and ALL advantages you may have while not only retaining, but GAINING any and all he can in the process.
Left to him, even though you brought this up and told him EXACTLY what you'd use, he'll have it changed to you being limited to a 260 V8 with iron heads and a 2bbl vs the GM LSX454...
02-26-2014, 09:38 AM
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In an overall sense, clearly..
Some class racing allows either and the BB foundations of over 500 cubes tend to do fairly well. Of course, the F.I entries are LIMITED in cubic inches, you're right... I didn't FULLY think that through.
Bottom line: When there are rules to what ya run, anything can be competitive, but when it's truly heads up, N//A will ALWAYS lose.
Some class racing allows either and the BB foundations of over 500 cubes tend to do fairly well. Of course, the F.I entries are LIMITED in cubic inches, you're right... I didn't FULLY think that through.
Bottom line: When there are rules to what ya run, anything can be competitive, but when it's truly heads up, N//A will ALWAYS lose.
02-26-2014, 11:02 AM
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No point in spending $X on an aftermarket H/C/I build when I can have a few buddies (who have done quite a few kits) fab up a quality turbo kit for the same price.
Guy I sold my old nitrous kit to only paid $275 shipped. Find me a better deal for HP/$ ratio
You die!
Had a local guy do same build as I described above^^^^.. sold it and is now utilizing my buddy and said straight up one night, "Damnit, I would have ended up paying the same amount as I did my NA build just to do this in the first place versus losing money by selling the NA parts and switching later"
