Originally Posted by HioSSilver

Where's your mid 6 Mustang???? All that's right.....you bought a escape.

You guys knew what I meant.......you just had to twist it around. When I said FORD couldn't it's because they didn't. Not because someone can't put some combo together with various parts and make it go.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

You see....there ya go......wanting to change heads to keep up with a production lt4.

Point made.

Funny all the **** lt's get and your ready to use a ford racing head to keep up with the lt.

Originally Posted by 92cobranotch

so you think the 460 sbf will pick up with efi. And your right but so is the lsx 454. You have to mod equally to compare. Not restrict the 454 and compare it to efi on the ford. Both will pick up equally if the lsx doesn't pick up more. Lsx454>460sbf any way you look at it. That can't be desputed. You have to compare both engines with equall fuel setups.

Originally Posted by 92cobranotch

The only ford small block thats gonna get near ls territory is a 4v Cleveland. End of story.

Originally Posted by 92cobranotch

Why do you full retards always compare a full bolt on or built ford to a stock lsx. There is nothing relevant at all there. A equally modded ls3 will baby seal club the cobra r. Much less a 7

Originally Posted by 92cobranotch

They did one hell of a job gearing the cars. Shame the trans doesn't hold up.

Originally Posted by 92cobranotch

As a matter of fact I dont care what hio says about a 5th gen. Imo its a big heavy heap of ****. And a waste of a good ls3

Originally Posted by evangto87

Its actually quite a bit beefier then a t-56...

Originally Posted by snake95

Sometimes I'll actually say things in an attempt to troll but not very often, usually my opinion renders me as a troll in some posters' minds.

The 5.0 vs the LS3 (engine) is a toss up if you ask me.

Now HiO will mention something about "yeah but you're cube limited on the 5.0" and he'll squirm like a worm when I call him out on him talking **** on "Ford guys" when they increase their cubes. Just wanted to get that out of the way because I knew a comment like that was inevitable

Originally Posted by Blown383LS1

Here we go again comparing GM's flagship sports car to a pony car. How about comparing a 2013 ls3 Camaro to a 2013 5.0 Mustang? After all they have been direct competitors since 1967.

Originally Posted by marc97taws6

Glad we can agree. I think they look nice, but that is about it.

Good thing they are selling well for GM.

So strong that all of the small parts go to **** and cause issues.

Originally Posted by evangto87

Actually Im being dead serious. I wouldnt make a blind statement like that.

Ironically... compared a t56 out of a cobra to my mt82... The hard parts in my trans are literally twice the size of the t56.

Do you actually know what fails in an mt82, and why they fail?

It took 850whp to tear through a stock input shaft of an mt82. And they have hardened input shafts out now as it is the weakest hard part in the car.

Originally Posted by 92cobranotch

normally syncros. I dont give a **** how much bigger and stronger diff. Parts are. The trans is only as strong as its weakest link any way you look at it.

Originally Posted by 92cobranotch

Both engines would lose peak power and peak torque with efi. Only POSSIBLE exception would be a efi/carb setup like a victor/victor jr efi. Id like to see a back to back with that setup vs carb. I hate carbs! But all out power they normally win. Ill sacrifice 30 any day to have driveability when not used on a race car.

Originally Posted by evangto87

I posted a picture for you. Those tiny little parts cost about what ONE drag radial costs.

What would happen if you left a stock clutch in a t56 car and tried to shift it at 7500 rpm? (lets pretend you would need to shift it that high for a second)

Originally Posted by evangto87

So if it costs 200$ to replace the weakest link in the trans and now its good for 800hp... its still ****?

Why do synchros go bad? Again... shift a stock clutch t56 car at 7500rpm. Let me know how your synchros like it...

Good clutch plus 200$ worth of brass, and you have a bad *** transmission.


But I suppose everyone can keep drinking the coolaid and refuse to understand WHY things break... and just label things as weak.

I just feel bad for all the guys dumping 7k into the drivetrain to switch to T56s lmao.

Originally Posted by It'llrun

Blah blah... always the same...

By the way, in case you missed it, I just reclaimed a 1987 Fox coupe that I built many years ago... still has the same 408 under the hood and I'll be going over it when I feel up to it, specifically if I get the Buick outta the garage so I won't have to work in weather...

So yes, I have a 2014 Escape Titanium 2L Ecoboost... and an SVO blocked 408ci Mustang making over 500rwhp N/A and soon, perhaps we can compare time slips... Me... against your WANNABE race car...

You can find tests from the likes of Car and Driver getting mid 13's from 1996 Cobra's... You just don't choose to believe it..


So when I quote a test it's bogus.......when you quote it it's gospel.....got ya.


After all, you ARE the same guy who claimed they just drive Fords better than the average owner and GM's worse than the average owner... You're THAT guy.. And he's NOT too bright!


HUH??? You don't make much sense. Do you even read what you type?


Yet they were rated nicer than the 4th gen during the ENTIRE run of the 4th gen... Amazing... And you wonder why 5 times more were sold... Because there are far more people in the real world with taste you lack.
Funny how you BALL LIKE A GIRL when the 2000 Cobra R is mentioned because, in your opinion, they didn't make enough, at only 250... But it's cool in your silly eyes to include(since we reminded you it existed) the 1997 LT4, of which 100 were made for America and 6 for Canada...


There were lots of LT4's in the vettes. But way to go......compare a gutted car to a full production car.


Way to go HoHo... You ARE hypocrite.


I'm a hypocrite but you keep wanting to compare modded furds to stock chevy's......go figure


Wait... 1st you said carburetors are better, but now you agree that EFI is? Okay... again, I'm not comparing.

However, I was speaking of a specific intake on the Ford engine. NOT ONLY THAT.... GM rates their 620hp engine at LESS power with EFI... No, I do not know why. It is on their website though... 580 with EFI.

On another note, there is a SBF 427ci which is rated at 600hp. Apparently it's only available from Ford.


There's one on the chevy site that is rated at 720+......your point was again?

STOP IT! You know little or nothing about the 351C... and just as little about the 351W, clearly.

Then compare the 2000 LS1 to the 2000 5.4 Cobra R engine, stock vs stock... since you're into comparing things. In that case, the LS1 is "bigger" and makes less power. Go full tilt with mods, the 5.4L is coming into it's own while the LS1 is being replaced by a stronger block...

Of course, we know the 5.4L will handle over 2000hp... How deep into the LS-X future will we need to go in order to find one in that survival range? DEEP!

Yea......those 5.4 are so bullet proof so powerful every one is swapping them into chevy's..........lmfao

How long has it been since we heard about a transmission problem with the 6spd manual in the Mustang. 2yrs or so? But it doesn't hold up... I'm glad Ford fixed it for the next version. I'd hate to have to hear about problems with a few hundred of the next 100,000.....

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

Go back and reread R6.......then reply back to who the full blown retard is. Tell me where this magical 5.4 is gonna pick uo 100+ hp with bolt-ons.

You're just like the other furd miesters in this thread........here lets do this this this and this to the furd and compare it to the stock chevy stuff.

Originally Posted by 92cobranotch

The t56 in the mustang (cable) shifts fine at high rpm for the most part. Gm hydraulic does not.

Originally Posted by marc97taws6

Still sucks that they skimped on the $200 little parts. That is what happens when "bean counters" like me have a say

Umm, death.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

It's not a hydraulic issue......just sayin

Originally Posted by 92cobranotch

There you go it'll run. I think you missed that where I said carb/efi. Carb/efi is a victor with injectors and yes I mentioned it. When you say efi as a general term it refers to gt40,trickflow,edelbrock etc. The reason it loses on the lsx with efi is because it was dynoed with conventional efi. Like ls6, fast,bbk,holley etc. Not carb/efi.

Originally Posted by FinalCam

A 3.66:1 first gear is so awesome. I love the 11-14 Mustang 5.0s

Turning high rpms with a drivetrain packed full of gear. Don't fear the gear!

Originally Posted by R6cowboy

Idk, from reading, past research and just being a really huge Mustang fan back then. I also search around and find what people who own them speciafic cars have put down with the said modifications with some dyno graphs. And if you had a clue about that motor, it's not 100+hp gains either, its more like 75hp. Once again you're talking about a motor you know nothing about but act like you know something, hints the ridiculous "magical 5.4" statement.

And I'll explain this again since you can't seem to understand. I wasn't comparing a modded 2000 Cobra R's 5.4 to a stock LS7, I simply used the stock LS7's output as an example. 92cobranotch got it, maybe he could try and help you out on how to understand that.