automach1

This aint my first rodeo

george g

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^^Yeah,but being the clown in the barrel doesn't count.

HioSSilver

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^^^^^lol

Sure....the difference is the way they get there. A mach has to leave really really hard to have a shot.
Cool......keep your eyes open for one. If I can find a 66 fastback after I sell the notch in decent shape then I'll put one it it. Are they cheap?

"MAC"

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Proof?

92cobranotch

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12-1500.

Lawhead

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Weird considering my car has gone quicker and faster than yours

But I don't drive my cobra in the rain so it doesn't count according to you lmfao

Poor Hio

R6cowboy

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E85 is considered pump gas at nearly half the stations around me. You're definition of it doesn't set a single standard. If you're understanding of what modulars can do n/a is based off this site then you don't know jack. All that tells me is what I already know, it's very very expensive to get a modular to make bigger power n/a, much more expensive than the LSx. Obviously people boost their motors to get a desired power simply because it cost less, makes all the sense in the world but doesn't mean they aren't capable to make big power n/a either, because they can. Please quite arguing, your lack of knowledge isn't going to change my mind on what I know and have seen.

R6cowboy

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Here's one thing that "pos" 5.4L can do. 6.04 @ 246 1/4 mile using a stock sleeved block and stock ported heads. Before some of you twist **** up, the only point here is that's one strong *** engine block, for being a "pos".

http://www.dragzine.com/news/team-mm...4-and-246-mph/

HioSSilver

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Pump gas drags........do you know what gas they run?




I'll give you hint.......it's not called e85 drags.


actually I went to the corral and snooped around. My bolt on ls6 makes their top 20 for power. Where do you think I stand on this site for n\a power? Does anymore need to be said?

With enough money anything can be made to make power. It's engines that do it willingly and realitivly chep that become great and popular. Boosting **** is pretty expensive all on it's own.

HioSSilver

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Ftw.......stock block...........oh but with sleeves. .......hhhhmmmmm.....Wouldn't be not stock? Awesome point.

if they are so great sell your **** and buy one. It really is that easy. Show me........put YOUR money where your mouth is.

R6cowboy

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Why that chapped your *** is beyond me. It's a factory block with aftermarket sleeves. If I seen ANY sleeved factory block do that, all I would say is it's pretty badass, no matter the make. The reasons that upset you are fricking hilarious.

Bitemark46

Law -only quoted you cause you quoted Hihoe and I saw my name.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I have a very good understanding of what modulars can do. Look around at the guys yakkin on this site.......NONE of them has a n/a modular except for Bitemark.......and he's planning on goin forced induction. Does that tell you anything?

Yes I do plan on going boosted. But since you appear to know why, then can you tell me?

With the setup that it has (low comp for n/a and blower cams) it will go low 11's with the worst modular 4v head ever made (came with the car btw). By switching to 03/04 style heads, I'd pick up another 2-3 tenths.

I know of 2 n/a 5.4 motors that went low 9's n/a. Can you show me the same for an LSx? Keep in mind my examples did it with less than 333 cubes. I haven't seen a 346 go low 9's n/a. All the ones I have seen are bigger.


Originally Posted by HioSSilver
You see guys this is why the ls is a better engine. In case you haven't noticed all of the furd guys have a hard on for a little bolt-on ls6.

Yeah bolt-on, FP T56, swiss cheese'd car gives us wood. Please don't flatter yourself. The guy with the vette with the same setup as you has gone over 7 tenths faster. I'd be livid if my car didn't run 10's with 130 traps...N/A, FI, electric powered, Fred Flinstone powered, whatever. Street car or not. That Supra excuse territory. Your car is more of a racecar than mine. Why does every car have to have OEM parts to gain your respect? So I take it you despise NHRA TF, FC, and Prostock?

Everyone would like you much better if you got off that pedestal that you think you have/deserve.

92cobranotch

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Is he off the ignore list yet lol?

Bitemark46

Never. lol. Now that I think about it, I just defeated the purpose of the ignore list.....sigh. I was brought down and beaten by experience.

-Mark

92cobranotch

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Lol you beat me to it. I was about to ask its purpose lmfao

Bitemark46

lol. Yeah that will be the last one I assure you.

-Mark

JD_AMG

Doesn't take much to know a typical big block is smaller than a 4v mod motor...
No one is disputing any of that. But you sure do put a lot of time in to argue for Ford over the littlest thing when you are "not a fanboy."

But in this case we are not, we are just talking about the engines themselves. Even it that wasn't the case the Ford powered production cars would have all around better performance with an LSx variant under their hood and thats the ironic thing about it. With all these Ford guys trying (failing) to bash the LSx, the fact of the matter is with it being lighter and smaller, even if the output were to be handicapped to match the Ford's power, the car would still be a better all around performer. THATS the beauty of it, and what Ive been saying all along about displacement not mattering.

So in other words when comparing APPLES TO APPLES, not different engines from different manufactures from different model years.
HOWEVER, there is still a huge hole in your logic: what if the manufacturer is not trying for all out peak power? (like a max effort build).
For example, the LS1 came out in '97 with ~350hp. Now do you honestly think thats all the engineers could get from it, and then suddenly in 2001 they discovered that with a bigger cam and better heads they could make 385hp? And then again in 2002 to make 405hp? Were talking engineers that design production engines for cars sold around the world, do they not know how engines make power? Or maybe, just maybe they had a power goal already set, and wanted the lightest, smallest yet cheapest way to get there? Either build a low cost, physically small and lightweight OHV engine to make 350hp, with extra cubes to spare (see low end torque, big power potential) or build a high strung 3.0-4.0L OHC engine comparable in size (yet heavier, and higher COG) and much more expensive and complex to make 350hp, with much less low end and little power potential left.


Nothing wrong with that, however we are speaking specifically about V engines, inline engines certainly benefit from being OHC.

Yes, Ive been waiting on someone to make a "cam-less" engine, like a pneumatic valvetrain.

Cost, complexity and longevity I'd imagine. Plus heritage (7L "427" car).
Building the truck based 4.8L's as stout as possible within budget for truck duties, and the rest aimed more at performance, as you see each year growing displacement even if power doesn't go up you see the torque curve looking better.

audacious nick

And people need to stop quoting autofag. It's funnier when I just see a blocked post.

automach1

I guess you can't handle it. How sad

islander033

Nick can't handle the troof!