2v mustang gt vs ls1
#121
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As usual, you're full of ****. That car is putting down 340RWP max and it traps 8MPH faster than stock hero times, 10MPH faster than the normal ones. That is physically impossible, just like your "430" rwp 10 second ride.
As for hammer, none of his times are valid until he releases a mod list. It's that simple.
As for hammer, none of his times are valid until he releases a mod list. It's that simple.
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Lol...you stupid ****. His times are what they are mod list or not. Saying your mods doesn't validate anything.
You simply don't know how to make a car run.
My car trapped 108 stock. Nothing hero about it. Free mod cars can trap 110.
When did you become some all knowing ******* god on how fast a car can go at a certain whp?
You simply don't know how to make a car run.
My car trapped 108 stock. Nothing hero about it. Free mod cars can trap 110.
When did you become some all knowing ******* god on how fast a car can go at a certain whp?
I have no doubt that hammers car, the youtube vid car, or yours ran the times. It's just that you and hammer like to fudge the numbers, or type/amount of mods.
It 100% invalidates his times when guys like you are using him as the gold standard for bolt on times.
Probability, experience and common sense is how I can call bullshit. Just like I can call bullshit on browns gas getting 100mpg. Power to weight ratio doesn't lie.
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I have no doubt that hammers car, the youtube vid car, or yours ran the times. It's just that you and hammer like to fudge the numbers, or type/amount of mods.
It 100% invalidates his times when guys like you are using him as the gold standard for bolt on times.
Probability, experience and common sense is how I can call bullshit. Just like I can call bullshit on browns gas getting 100mpg. Power to weight ratio doesn't lie.
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Appearantly your experience and common sense is all that is bullshit.
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I'm not, but if you make a claim, back it up. You come off shady, but that is exactly what you want. You're a troll and an attention *****, I can respect that.
No it doesn't. Find me any other 3300lbs 4th gen with 340RWP that runs 11's@116 and I will take everything back.
You might want to look up narcissistic personality disorder and maybe talk to someone about it, cause you seem to have a lot of the symptoms.
I am straight up saying that those numbers can't be achieved with those mods and 200lbs of weight reduction. It's not about knowledge, it's about impossible. I can youtube race you all day long and prove my point.
Full exhaust, 3.73, stalled, suspension, tire, 340RWP 12.47@108
Full Exhaust, 3.90, Lid, 12.61@114
Lid, Cutout, 4.10, Tire, 12.9@110
LS6 intake, catback, stall, tire, 12.6@107
And the list goes on and on and on. So tell me oh wise one, how exactly did your friend run faster than all of these, and the countless more, with way fewer mods?
No it doesn't. Find me any other 3300lbs 4th gen with 340RWP that runs 11's@116 and I will take everything back.
I am straight up saying that those numbers can't be achieved with those mods and 200lbs of weight reduction. It's not about knowledge, it's about impossible. I can youtube race you all day long and prove my point.
Full exhaust, 3.73, stalled, suspension, tire, 340RWP 12.47@108
Full Exhaust, 3.90, Lid, 12.61@114
Lid, Cutout, 4.10, Tire, 12.9@110
LS6 intake, catback, stall, tire, 12.6@107
And the list goes on and on and on. So tell me oh wise one, how exactly did your friend run faster than all of these, and the countless more, with way fewer mods?
#126
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Maybe it would be helpful if instead of just calling each other stupid or liars, you made a well balanced argument. And explain why a car can/can't do what you say
Addressed to both parties
Addressed to both parties
#127
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I'm not, but if you make a claim, back it up. You come off shady, but that is exactly what you want. You're a troll and an attention *****, I can respect that.
No it doesn't. Find me any other 3300lbs 4th gen with 340RWP that runs 11's@116 and I will take everything back.
You might want to look up narcissistic personality disorder and maybe talk to someone about it, cause you seem to have a lot of the symptoms.
I am straight up saying that those numbers can't be achieved with those mods and 200lbs of weight reduction. It's not about knowledge, it's about impossible. I can youtube race you all day long and prove my point.
Full exhaust, 3.73, stalled, suspension, tire, 340RWP 12.47@108
Bolt On LS1 Camaro 1/4 Mile - YouTube
Full Exhaust, 3.90, Lid, 12.61@114
1999 Camaro SS Full Bolt Ons - 12.61 @ 114mph 1/4 Mile Drag Racing - YouTube
Lid, Cutout, 4.10, Tire, 12.9@110
LS1 Camaro 1/4 mile stock - YouTube
LS6 intake, catback, stall, tire, 12.6@107
LS1 Camaro In Car 1/4 mile In Car Run @ Famoso - YouTube
And the list goes on and on and on. So tell me oh wise one, how exactly did your friend run faster than all of these, and the countless more, with way fewer mods?
No it doesn't. Find me any other 3300lbs 4th gen with 340RWP that runs 11's@116 and I will take everything back.
You might want to look up narcissistic personality disorder and maybe talk to someone about it, cause you seem to have a lot of the symptoms.
I am straight up saying that those numbers can't be achieved with those mods and 200lbs of weight reduction. It's not about knowledge, it's about impossible. I can youtube race you all day long and prove my point.
Full exhaust, 3.73, stalled, suspension, tire, 340RWP 12.47@108
Bolt On LS1 Camaro 1/4 Mile - YouTube
Full Exhaust, 3.90, Lid, 12.61@114
1999 Camaro SS Full Bolt Ons - 12.61 @ 114mph 1/4 Mile Drag Racing - YouTube
Lid, Cutout, 4.10, Tire, 12.9@110
LS1 Camaro 1/4 mile stock - YouTube
LS6 intake, catback, stall, tire, 12.6@107
LS1 Camaro In Car 1/4 mile In Car Run @ Famoso - YouTube
And the list goes on and on and on. So tell me oh wise one, how exactly did your friend run faster than all of these, and the countless more, with way fewer mods?
#128
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1. Lack of mods/weight reduction to achieve posted results.
2. Power to weight ratio makes it impossible to achieve posted results
3. Numerous examples of much more powerful and modded cars running much slower than the posted results.
Hio's argument
1. Free mods and stuff all LS1 cars run 110mph
2. Because no one else in the history of cars have achieved what I claim to, yall must be scrubs that don't know how to build a car right.
#129
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Pretty sure that I have.
1. Lack of mods/weight reduction to achieve posted results.
2. Power to weight ratio makes it impossible to achieve posted results
3. Numerous examples of much more powerful and modded cars running much slower than the posted results.
Hio's argument
1. Free mods and stuff all LS1 cars run 110mph
2. Because no one else in the history of cars have achieved what I claim to, yall must be scrubs that don't know how to build a car right.
1. Lack of mods/weight reduction to achieve posted results.
2. Power to weight ratio makes it impossible to achieve posted results
3. Numerous examples of much more powerful and modded cars running much slower than the posted results.
Hio's argument
1. Free mods and stuff all LS1 cars run 110mph
2. Because no one else in the history of cars have achieved what I claim to, yall must be scrubs that don't know how to build a car right.
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Of course there are other factors involved for the ET, but generally speaking the power to weight will define your trap speed.
If you're talking power to weight on say a Honda S2000 vs power to weight on an LS1 camaro, it's apples to oranges. Two completely different styles of engines with different torque curves and powerbands.
When you're talking about an LS1 Fbody to an LS1 fbody, it's very easy to get a baseline. Hence the youtube racing.
Call me crazy, but when someone claims that a near bone stock car runs a full second and 8MPH faster than other, more modified cars, it pegs my BS meter.
If you're talking power to weight on say a Honda S2000 vs power to weight on an LS1 camaro, it's apples to oranges. Two completely different styles of engines with different torque curves and powerbands.
When you're talking about an LS1 Fbody to an LS1 fbody, it's very easy to get a baseline. Hence the youtube racing.
Call me crazy, but when someone claims that a near bone stock car runs a full second and 8MPH faster than other, more modified cars, it pegs my BS meter.
#131
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https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...1-113-5-a.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...-ws6-11-s.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...-11-831-a.html
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While 116mph trap is on the high side, the youtube videos you posted are a bigger joke than you are.
Whats next, comparing hp/l again?
#132
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I'm not, but if you make a claim, back it up. You come off shady, but that is exactly what you want. You're a troll and an attention *****, I can respect that.
No it doesn't. Find me any other 3300lbs 4th gen with 340RWP that runs 11's@116 and I will take everything back.
You might want to look up narcissistic personality disorder and maybe talk to someone about it, cause you seem to have a lot of the symptoms.
I am straight up saying that those numbers can't be achieved with those mods and 200lbs of weight reduction. It's not about knowledge, it's about impossible. I can youtube race you all day long and prove my point.
No it doesn't. Find me any other 3300lbs 4th gen with 340RWP that runs 11's@116 and I will take everything back.
You might want to look up narcissistic personality disorder and maybe talk to someone about it, cause you seem to have a lot of the symptoms.
I am straight up saying that those numbers can't be achieved with those mods and 200lbs of weight reduction. It's not about knowledge, it's about impossible. I can youtube race you all day long and prove my point.
Hio tends to use major weight reduction, or small shots of nitrous to get those ET.traps
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#134
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*cough cough*
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...1-113-5-a.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...-ws6-11-s.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...-11-831-a.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...-internal.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...-car-11-s.html
While 116mph trap is on the high side, the youtube videos you posted are a bigger joke than you are.
Whats next, comparing hp/l again?
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...1-113-5-a.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...-ws6-11-s.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...-11-831-a.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...-internal.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...-car-11-s.html
While 116mph trap is on the high side, the youtube videos you posted are a bigger joke than you are.
Whats next, comparing hp/l again?
#135
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Pretty sure that I have.
1. Lack of mods/weight reduction to achieve posted results.
2. Power to weight ratio makes it impossible to achieve posted results
3. Numerous examples of much more powerful and modded cars running much slower than the posted results.
Hio's argument
1. Free mods and stuff all LS1 cars run 110mph
2. Because no one else in the history of cars have achieved what I claim to, yall must be scrubs that don't know how to build a car right.
1. Lack of mods/weight reduction to achieve posted results.
2. Power to weight ratio makes it impossible to achieve posted results
3. Numerous examples of much more powerful and modded cars running much slower than the posted results.
Hio's argument
1. Free mods and stuff all LS1 cars run 110mph
2. Because no one else in the history of cars have achieved what I claim to, yall must be scrubs that don't know how to build a car right.
You assume the car started at 3500lbs, there are some LS1 fbodies that weigh 3300lbs right out of the factory.
You assume the amount of power its making.
What you and many others always fail to find is others with the same mods as the cars that are in question. Not many go to the length as some do, and the (lack of)results will show that. Not many want to invest the time and money into making a bolt on car work really really well, they rather throw more mods at it and make more power, or setup the car as they see fit. A lot of guys pick through a jegs magazine for random shiny parts and build that way which will have lackluster results. Most guys are building cars their first time around with little/no experience and learning as they go and you will see them making mistakes that if they would do it all over they would be building the car different
So why don't we see more bolt on 11 second cars? Because people don't know any better. Look at the newbs, they immediately want the biggest cam they can run, forget about all drivetrain mods (so many guys think a stock stall or tiny stall is ok, or a stock clutch and hydraulics), run heavy wheels on narrow street tires and stock suspension on cheap lowering springs, heavy *** subs in the back, and the heaviest SFCs they can find.
They usually have a power goal in mind instead of ETs, thinking that will make them king of the streets.
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Heres some major flaws in your argument.
You assume the car started at 3500lbs, there are some LS1 fbodies that weigh 3300lbs right out of the factory.
You assume the amount of power its making.
What you and many others always fail to find is others with the same mods as the cars that are in question. Not many go to the length as some do, and the (lack of)results will show that. Not many want to invest the time and money into making a bolt on car work really really well, they rather throw more mods at it and make more power, or setup the car as they see fit. A lot of guys pick through a jegs magazine for random shiny parts and build that way which will have lackluster results. Most guys are building cars their first time around with little/no experience and learning as they go and you will see them making mistakes that if they would do it all over they would be building the car different
So why don't we see more bolt on 11 second cars? Because people don't know any better. Look at the newbs, they immediately want the biggest cam they can run, forget about all drivetrain mods (so many guys think a stock stall or tiny stall is ok, or a stock clutch and hydraulics), run heavy wheels on narrow street tires and stock suspension on cheap lowering springs, heavy *** subs in the back, and the heaviest SFCs they can find.
They usually have a power goal in mind instead of ETs, thinking that will make them king of the streets.
You assume the car started at 3500lbs, there are some LS1 fbodies that weigh 3300lbs right out of the factory.
You assume the amount of power its making.
What you and many others always fail to find is others with the same mods as the cars that are in question. Not many go to the length as some do, and the (lack of)results will show that. Not many want to invest the time and money into making a bolt on car work really really well, they rather throw more mods at it and make more power, or setup the car as they see fit. A lot of guys pick through a jegs magazine for random shiny parts and build that way which will have lackluster results. Most guys are building cars their first time around with little/no experience and learning as they go and you will see them making mistakes that if they would do it all over they would be building the car different
So why don't we see more bolt on 11 second cars? Because people don't know any better. Look at the newbs, they immediately want the biggest cam they can run, forget about all drivetrain mods (so many guys think a stock stall or tiny stall is ok, or a stock clutch and hydraulics), run heavy wheels on narrow street tires and stock suspension on cheap lowering springs, heavy *** subs in the back, and the heaviest SFCs they can find.
They usually have a power goal in mind instead of ETs, thinking that will make them king of the streets.
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Heres some major flaws in your argument.
You assume the car started at 3500lbs, there are some LS1 fbodies that weigh 3300lbs right out of the factory.
You assume the amount of power its making.
What you and many others always fail to find is others with the same mods as the cars that are in question. Not many go to the length as some do, and the (lack of)results will show that. Not many want to invest the time and money into making a bolt on car work really really well, they rather throw more mods at it and make more power, or setup the car as they see fit. A lot of guys pick through a jegs magazine for random shiny parts and build that way which will have lackluster results. Most guys are building cars their first time around with little/no experience and learning as they go and you will see them making mistakes that if they would do it all over they would be building the car different
So why don't we see more bolt on 11 second cars? Because people don't know any better. Look at the newbs, they immediately want the biggest cam they can run, forget about all drivetrain mods (so many guys think a stock stall or tiny stall is ok, or a stock clutch and hydraulics), run heavy wheels on narrow street tires and stock suspension on cheap lowering springs, heavy *** subs in the back, and the heaviest SFCs they can find.
They usually have a power goal in mind instead of ETs, thinking that will make them king of the streets.
You assume the car started at 3500lbs, there are some LS1 fbodies that weigh 3300lbs right out of the factory.
You assume the amount of power its making.
What you and many others always fail to find is others with the same mods as the cars that are in question. Not many go to the length as some do, and the (lack of)results will show that. Not many want to invest the time and money into making a bolt on car work really really well, they rather throw more mods at it and make more power, or setup the car as they see fit. A lot of guys pick through a jegs magazine for random shiny parts and build that way which will have lackluster results. Most guys are building cars their first time around with little/no experience and learning as they go and you will see them making mistakes that if they would do it all over they would be building the car different
So why don't we see more bolt on 11 second cars? Because people don't know any better. Look at the newbs, they immediately want the biggest cam they can run, forget about all drivetrain mods (so many guys think a stock stall or tiny stall is ok, or a stock clutch and hydraulics), run heavy wheels on narrow street tires and stock suspension on cheap lowering springs, heavy *** subs in the back, and the heaviest SFCs they can find.
They usually have a power goal in mind instead of ETs, thinking that will make them king of the streets.
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#139
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I'm not, but if you make a claim, back it up. You come off shady, but that is exactly what you want. You're a troll and an attention *****, I can respect that.
No it doesn't. Find me any other 3300lbs 4th gen with 340RWP that runs 11's@116 and I will take everything back.
You might want to look up narcissistic personality disorder and maybe talk to someone about it, cause you seem to have a lot of the symptoms.
I am straight up saying that those numbers can't be achieved with those mods and 200lbs of weight reduction. It's not about knowledge, it's about impossible. I can youtube race you all day long and prove my point.
Full exhaust, 3.73, stalled, suspension, tire, 340RWP 12.47@108
Bolt On LS1 Camaro 1/4 Mile - YouTube
Full Exhaust, 3.90, Lid, 12.61@114
1999 Camaro SS Full Bolt Ons - 12.61 @ 114mph 1/4 Mile Drag Racing - YouTube
Lid, Cutout, 4.10, Tire, 12.9@110
LS1 Camaro 1/4 mile stock - YouTube
LS6 intake, catback, stall, tire, 12.6@107
LS1 Camaro In Car 1/4 mile In Car Run @ Famoso - YouTube
And the list goes on and on and on. So tell me oh wise one, how exactly did your friend run faster than all of these, and the countless more, with way fewer mods?
No it doesn't. Find me any other 3300lbs 4th gen with 340RWP that runs 11's@116 and I will take everything back.
You might want to look up narcissistic personality disorder and maybe talk to someone about it, cause you seem to have a lot of the symptoms.
I am straight up saying that those numbers can't be achieved with those mods and 200lbs of weight reduction. It's not about knowledge, it's about impossible. I can youtube race you all day long and prove my point.
Full exhaust, 3.73, stalled, suspension, tire, 340RWP 12.47@108
Bolt On LS1 Camaro 1/4 Mile - YouTube
Full Exhaust, 3.90, Lid, 12.61@114
1999 Camaro SS Full Bolt Ons - 12.61 @ 114mph 1/4 Mile Drag Racing - YouTube
Lid, Cutout, 4.10, Tire, 12.9@110
LS1 Camaro 1/4 mile stock - YouTube
LS6 intake, catback, stall, tire, 12.6@107
LS1 Camaro In Car 1/4 mile In Car Run @ Famoso - YouTube
And the list goes on and on and on. So tell me oh wise one, how exactly did your friend run faster than all of these, and the countless more, with way fewer mods?
Those cars are all pretty bad examples. Why don't you search youtube for some good examples? I'm sure some popped up in your search and you just cherry pucked the bad ones.
My own car went 13.5@108 (like a 2.2x 60)in august heat. I did 2 mods and ran it again with like a 2.1~ and went 13.0@109. Free mods, udp and shitty mac headers w/ory and shitty spec clutch because i broke the oe clutch and it went 12.6 at nearly 113.....on the stock wheels, stock cat back, stock gear, stock tune, stock ls1 intake and no dr
Another a friend had i drove to 13.0@109 it had a cut out and lid only. Strange part on that run is i wasn't sure i had it in 4th si i pulled it out and stuck it back to make sure......that was my only run and it had a stock shifter so i wasn't used to it. Next run no doubt 12s.
Pretty sure that I have.
1. Lack of mods/weight reduction to achieve posted results.
2. Power to weight ratio makes it impossible to achieve posted results
3. Numerous examples of much more powerful and modded cars running much slower than the posted results.
Hio's argument
1. Free mods and stuff all LS1 cars run 110mph
2. Because no one else in the history of cars have achieved what I claim to, yall must be scrubs that don't know how to build a car right.
1. Lack of mods/weight reduction to achieve posted results.
2. Power to weight ratio makes it impossible to achieve posted results
3. Numerous examples of much more powerful and modded cars running much slower than the posted results.
Hio's argument
1. Free mods and stuff all LS1 cars run 110mph
2. Because no one else in the history of cars have achieved what I claim to, yall must be scrubs that don't know how to build a car right.
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No, it does not lie. There are many calculators online available. Those calculators use a formula to find the missing numbers to plug in. You have raceweight, trap speed over distance, and horsepower. You can find all 3 values with 2 known numbers. Yall are trying to disprove math..... can't be done.
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Reminder guys......poppa coined the term indirect weight reduction to cover up his own efforts
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