Cocky F-body guys.
02-01-2006, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcus86GLHS
".....Good luck finding a stock Supra to race ......."
true, and best of luck finding a stock ls1 f-body to race!!! i know i've never seen one, ever, not since my 1st ws6 car in june of 1998. how many ls1 f-bodies in 2006 remain truely 100% bone stock? 1-3% of them? 0%?
"...The dollar vs dollar comparison was made earlier and i would say that you can put the SRT4 in the same dollar category as far as im concerned, because i look at it as not the dollar amount, but what is affordable for the everyday person...."
i do understand this point, but, it doesnt make a lot of sense, the srt4 is 33% cheaper. than the LS1 f-body, doesnt seem like apples to apples to me. that extra 10 grand you save with the srt4 would for sure transform the srt4 into a better overall performer, and, be a better daily driver. but both are great cars dont get me wrong.
......and i do see a lot of cockiness as predicted, nothin wrong with that.
true, and best of luck finding a stock ls1 f-body to race!!! i know i've never seen one, ever, not since my 1st ws6 car in june of 1998. how many ls1 f-bodies in 2006 remain truely 100% bone stock? 1-3% of them? 0%?
"...The dollar vs dollar comparison was made earlier and i would say that you can put the SRT4 in the same dollar category as far as im concerned, because i look at it as not the dollar amount, but what is affordable for the everyday person...."
i do understand this point, but, it doesnt make a lot of sense, the srt4 is 33% cheaper. than the LS1 f-body, doesnt seem like apples to apples to me. that extra 10 grand you save with the srt4 would for sure transform the srt4 into a better overall performer, and, be a better daily driver. but both are great cars dont get me wrong.
......and i do see a lot of cockiness as predicted, nothin wrong with that.
umm.. take a drive down the strip here... every signle f-body is bone stock but mine... though they all have their plans... im the only one with anyhting done....
02-01-2006, 04:23 PM
#82
Originally Posted by V-seriesTech
Coupe meaning Targa coupe?....Or fixed roof coupe?
Thanks for the clarification on the weight, i've never seen an f-body that wasn't in race trim that weighed less then 3600lbs
Thanks for the clarification on the weight, i've never seen an f-body that wasn't in race trim that weighed less then 3600lbs
02-01-2006, 04:23 PM
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I think we all have to agree that the LS1 F-body was a great car in its time for what is was. The reason they have staying power is because the aftermarket has really come out with some great stuff to make them even better and faster. Just take a look at all the different heads available, stroker kits, blocks of all types, intakes, exhausts, engine management systems, computer programmers, blowers, turbos and on and on.
Everybody comes to choose a car differently, but here was my process. I bought my '02 SS in sept '01 because it was the fastest car I could afford. If I had known about the '03 cobra, I might have waited and gotten that, who knows. I have an SRT-4 now for a beater car so I don't have to put a million miles on the SS. It's also faster than the SS was when it was stock (this is mostly because of the altitude here).
Everybody comes to choose a car differently, but here was my process. I bought my '02 SS in sept '01 because it was the fastest car I could afford. If I had known about the '03 cobra, I might have waited and gotten that, who knows. I have an SRT-4 now for a beater car so I don't have to put a million miles on the SS. It's also faster than the SS was when it was stock (this is mostly because of the altitude here).
02-01-2006, 05:01 PM
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I like the 5.0 sound better...
How did you manage to avoid 12's with 2K invested, do you consider new brake pads,oil filter,rims,body kit as the object of your money spent or something? My friends who have LS1 F-bods are either in the 12's stock or there after VERY FEW mods (catback/lid) etc.
How did you manage to avoid 12's with 2K invested, do you consider new brake pads,oil filter,rims,body kit as the object of your money spent or something? My friends who have LS1 F-bods are either in the 12's stock or there after VERY FEW mods (catback/lid) etc.
02-01-2006, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcus86GLHS
"...bringing up money in any performance discussion is 100% retarded...."
you just won my personal vote for "Most Ridiculous Observation"....money does not buy performance? wow.
"...anytime u want to line them up, my squaly rattly shitty paintjob no resale ls1 z28 vs ur omni or one of ur buddies let me know ..."
now that's a great non-cocky attitude! sure. you better be low 10's. bring the pink.
:-)
"...32k dollar ws6 with squeeks and rattles and shitty paint, but damn does it haul. ..."
yes! i loved my 2000 ws6 the best....awesome car....but it was no 12 second car even after $2,000 in mods...but i got that now but for less than 1/3 the cost....along w/ better braking, handling, fuel economy, driveability, comfort, fit/finish quality, re-sale value...blah blah......but that black M6 car for sure is my 2nd favorite....cannot out-do that LS1 sound. it's all good.
you just won my personal vote for "Most Ridiculous Observation"....money does not buy performance? wow.
"...anytime u want to line them up, my squaly rattly shitty paintjob no resale ls1 z28 vs ur omni or one of ur buddies let me know ..."
now that's a great non-cocky attitude! sure. you better be low 10's. bring the pink.
:-)
"...32k dollar ws6 with squeeks and rattles and shitty paint, but damn does it haul. ..."
yes! i loved my 2000 ws6 the best....awesome car....but it was no 12 second car even after $2,000 in mods...but i got that now but for less than 1/3 the cost....along w/ better braking, handling, fuel economy, driveability, comfort, fit/finish quality, re-sale value...blah blah......but that black M6 car for sure is my 2nd favorite....cannot out-do that LS1 sound. it's all good.
everybody has their BIG dog in their group. just remember that anything can happen on the street, but when i get home my car WILL run low 10s and be 100 percent streetable. just watch out for the lil pewter z28 with the cobalt guages. just remember u do only live down the street from me.LOL
02-01-2006, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcus86GLHS
yes! i loved my 2000 ws6 the best....awesome car....but it was no 12 second car even after $2,000 in mods
My car went 12.50's with a $150 LS6 cam and a tune. You either cant drive, or dont know very much about the effectiveness of mods, espcially after owning another LS1 previously.
What are you guys on? 
02-01-2006, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by The95Firehawk#250man
how are yall weighing 3500lbs in f bodys my firehawk in the door jam says like 4200lbs??
02-01-2006, 08:57 PM
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F-body's will always be the best bang for your buck. You can take a f-body to 11s with a lot less money and work then any other car platform. We simply outperform most cars overall. But that doesnt mean we are gods. Other car platforms can be built to give us a good run for our money, but we still most likely spent a lot less then them 
To be honest, the only other cars I even consider racing now a days are other modded LS1's, 03 cobra's and modded supra's. All other cars are usually a waste of my time. At least that's what it's like around me. I have yet to lose a race since I put did the cam, and I only assume to stay supreme once I do the forged 347ci and PRC heads.
To be honest, the only other cars I even consider racing now a days are other modded LS1's, 03 cobra's and modded supra's. All other cars are usually a waste of my time. At least that's what it's like around me. I have yet to lose a race since I put did the cam, and I only assume to stay supreme once I do the forged 347ci and PRC heads.
02-01-2006, 09:01 PM
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F-body's will always be the best bang for your buck. You can take a f-body to 11s with a lot less money and work then any other car platform. We simply outperform most cars overall. But that doesnt mean we are gods. Other car platforms can be built to give us a good run for our money, but we still most likely spent a lot less then them
To be honest, the only other cars I even consider racing now a days are other modded LS1's, 03 cobra's and modded supra's. All other cars are usually a waste of my time. At least that's what it's like around me. I have yet to lose a race since I put did the cam, and I only assume to stay supreme once I do the forged 347ci and PRC heads.
So I have every right to be cocky.
To be honest, the only other cars I even consider racing now a days are other modded LS1's, 03 cobra's and modded supra's. All other cars are usually a waste of my time. At least that's what it's like around me. I have yet to lose a race since I put did the cam, and I only assume to stay supreme once I do the forged 347ci and PRC heads.
So I have every right to be cocky.
02-02-2006, 01:03 AM
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Lmao at the bang for buck statements. I talked to a guy today that picked up a 5.0 pushing around 425 at the tires for 5500. It looks very nice, not ragged or anything as well. THe motor is a forged 347 that wraps up to 9K before it tops out. Very sick car. Sounded WICKED
02-02-2006, 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
Lmao at the bang for buck statements. I talked to a guy today that picked up a 5.0 pushing around 425 at the tires for 5500. It looks very nice, not ragged or anything as well. THe motor is a forged 347 that wraps up to 9K before it tops out. Very sick car. Sounded WICKED
but the 4th gen f-body looks 23897234586902735 times better
02-02-2006, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by CrabhartLS1
drivers notwithstanding, an 05 is out of reach. an 04 should be edged out under "perfect" conditions
04 GTO has the SAME power as any 98-02 Fbody with the same gearing. But MORE weight. It's simple physics that the Fbody will be the faster. Plus the IRS of the GTO 'can' be more difficult to lunch and is certainly more prone to wheel hop.
The 05+ may have the bhp advantage but it's still heavier. So in terms of power to weight ratio they are pretty close. Close enough to be a drivers race any day of the week from a dig, and every other day from a roll.
Originally Posted by Sparetire
The next Evo will almost certanly not have 350BHP. That would be cool, buts not to feasable for emisions right now.
It's already been exceeded.
For the Evo VIII (that's 8) there was the FQ330 (330bhp), FQ340 (340bhp) and the FQ400 (400bhp) all STOCK. Admittidly this was in the UK. But I think our emissions standards are similar or stricter than that of the US.
The Evo IX (that's 9) is currently available as the FQ340 with 340bhp. So ok not 350bhp, but pretty darn close.
Basically, a new Evo has about the same power/torque as a STOCK Fbody and weighs similar or slightly less with more traction.
02-02-2006, 08:02 AM
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"...You can take a f-body to 11s with a lot less money and work then any other car platform. We simply outperform most cars overall...."
the cocky meter is pinned! nice!
and as for myself spending 2 grand on my WS6 car (exhaust, MAF sensor, lid, BG ram air kit, etc) and it still wasnt a 12 sec car, all i can say is i am thinking of (4) LS1 f-bodies, i know the owners of each, and i have seen each race many times.....all are modified, all have spent a lot more than 2 grand in performance mods (one spent 10 times 2 grand!!), results: (2) of the (4) run high 12's, and other (2) are still in the 13's. none are low 12 sec cars let alone 11 sec cars. not saying these are representative of all ls1 f-bodies, but, its also true that not all ls1's get into the 12's for $150 as someone stated earlier.
the fun is in the trying.
the cocky meter is pinned! nice!
and as for myself spending 2 grand on my WS6 car (exhaust, MAF sensor, lid, BG ram air kit, etc) and it still wasnt a 12 sec car, all i can say is i am thinking of (4) LS1 f-bodies, i know the owners of each, and i have seen each race many times.....all are modified, all have spent a lot more than 2 grand in performance mods (one spent 10 times 2 grand!!), results: (2) of the (4) run high 12's, and other (2) are still in the 13's. none are low 12 sec cars let alone 11 sec cars. not saying these are representative of all ls1 f-bodies, but, its also true that not all ls1's get into the 12's for $150 as someone stated earlier.
the fun is in the trying.
02-02-2006, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcus86GLHS
and as for myself spending 2 grand on my WS6 car (exhaust, MAF sensor, lid, BG ram air kit, etc) and it still wasnt a 12 sec car,
Originally Posted by Marcus86GLHS
all i can say is i am thinking of (4) LS1 f-bodies, i know the owners of each, and i have seen each race many times.....all are modified, all have spent a lot more than 2 grand in performance mods (one spent 10 times 2 grand!!),
Originally Posted by Marcus86GLHS
results: (2) of the (4) run high 12's, and other (2) are still in the 13's. none are low 12 sec cars let alone 11 sec cars.
Originally Posted by Marcus86GLHS
not saying these are representative of all ls1 f-bodies, but, its also true that not all ls1's get into the 12's for $150 as someone stated earlier.
Again I have no idea what altitude you are at.
But a lid a cut out and some DR's should put ALL the M6's into the 12's on a good day and probably quite a few of the auto's too.