gtistile

All I know is fuel pressure dropped, the calibration we have setup saved it, we reviewed the logs and made appropriate changes to allow normal functionality. 5 minutes of work, no harm done, life goes on for me and the motor.

oscs

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Holley>417/LJMS

onfire

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LOL. But very sorry that you are fighting this issue. Bad deal and they need to make it right.

stevieturbo

Spray a lot of nitrous into it...that should help cool it lol.

417 seem to claim there are loads out there ? is there any evidence on actual numbers ? Have you spoken to any real people who are using it with success ?

Forcefed86

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Loads of big cube high dollar engines that make retardo power NA and require little boost for big numbers maybe?

stevieturbo

If there's no boost...there will be no heat worth talking about.

But a lot of these companies always blab a load of ***** about hundreds...thousands etc of people using their product to make it sound great, when in reality they've probably sold only a handful.

And often good news stories you hear on forums, can be "sponsored" posts....ie not genuine user purchases.

Although if air temps are well into the 400's....that's a shitload of heat to get rid of. On the cheap, water injection would really kill some of it

gtistile

I have been told there are over 450 units in use, and to date mine is the *only* unit to ever have this issue. Which puzzles me why I'm not able to get any help despite exhausting every known/suggested possibility of improving the coolers performance. I've now been accused of "bashing" the product when in fact all I have done is provide data (ok I did call it a paperweight on the last page, but come on, that's literally what it's going to be if it doesn't work, I won't keep this on my car performing like this, why would I?)

That said, I have spoken with several others who have had the same issue and simply moved on. When I was told I should see no more than 30* rise through a pass, that the cars running them making 1200+whp on significant boost levels rarely see north of 120* and that is how the intercooler is supposed to perform, I started on this journey. At first I was told I had the sensor placed wrong, then too small of lines, then too small of a pump, then a pump that couldn't overcome g-forces, then sensors that were incorrect, then an ECU that was reading incorrectly, then a turbo that generated heat "like the surface of the sun"....etc. These were all things I was told at one point or another were the culprit, and hence all the testing.

I've very carefully demonstrated each one of those to work flawlessly on my car after doing change after change, test after test at their suggestion, and yet here I am.

I have been 110% strait forward and honest with all of my testing and information as I've never tried to mislead anyone. I have nothing to gain by doing so, I just want the product I paid for to work as advertised and promised. If it doesn't/can't/won't, then I'd it'd be stand-up of them to take care of it. At this point I'm not crossing my fingers.

stevieturbo

As others have said, you've went far above what most people would have done, even spending more time/money/life testing when you've known the product does not work for you.

450 is a lot of units....I'd be rather sceptical of that number but you never know.

oscs

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It's all horse **** and the fact that they won't give you any info on the unit or help you move forward is indicative of that. Be assured that they have read this thread and the one on YB. Maybe you can rest a little better knowing that there are hundreds if not thousands of people that will steer clear of their products now. Thanks for that.

SethU

Have you had a discussion with them about sending the unit back, for them to test on a known vehicle? It very well might be a manufacturing defect of some sort. I'd assume, if they can't produce identical results against a known good unit, they'd send you a replacement.


I'd think it's worth a shot.

gtistile

I'm trying to make something happen. We'll see

tblentrprz

If 417 is a legit/stand up company, they would have swapped the unit and done an in house test to validate the performance when the issue began. I'd expect them to have everything necessary to fixture and collect temps,pressures, flow, thermal transfer, etc. If they had an issue with the customers application, they could've provided a test plan and recommended sensors to capture the required data to resolve the issue. Unfortunately it seems, they were hoping the OP would just go away. Hopefully, they'll have the "come to Jesus" epiphany and choose to make things good. Companies don't have these problems exceeding customer expectations. It's free advertising! We'll see. Great job OP for hanging in there!

Ron_Stoppable

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The interesting thing is that there ARE some guys who have had really good results with the 417 cooler and they provided data logs to back their claims. I think the issue is deeper than it seems.

oscs

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Going to be making some test hits tomorrow on the streets. We will have some data to share. Don't hold your breath.

69-chvl

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The thread is kinda long to go back through at this point but was it confirmed that there is no restriction inside the cooler blocking coolant flow? Like a possible piece of debris or something/solder etc? Not sure how one would check for this.

TrendSetter

In this industry there is a huge difference between 450 sold and 450 being used.

stevieturbo

Quite true...could be 400 of them sitting in peoples garages gathering dust.....but hoping someday they might get some hot air through them !

And then another 40 on builds "capable" of 1500hp...but they're only running low boost for now...LOLZ

and maybe 10 pushing hard.

gtistile

Let me tell you something. In one instance in particular on my Facebook thread a guy chimed in saying "I just got mine and it's great!!!"

Naturally I shot the guy a message to get details/specifics. Next thing you know he's telling me his truck hasn't run yet as the build isn't complete. True story.

rkupon1

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3k later,...i would have also been that guy...almost! Im so mad at it, i deleted every pic in my phone of this set up and just orderd my treadstone tvr25 A2A instead. I ll figure out ac another winter from now.
Im gunna cross link this to a guy on another forum building a beautiful twin turbo nova using this set up currently. Doubt the car is running yet, but its close n id hate to seem him chase his tail a bit

gsteele

Do you have a link? It would make for an interesting read. I linked earlier in the thread to an employee at Lingenfelter who tried one of their own early prototypes and he took it off as it did not help. He was only logging track times as I remember.