417 Motorsports 1500hp Hi-Ram Intercooler: The Data
04-04-2017, 04:14 PM
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I'd like to see the excellent results as well if there are logs. I searched high and low before I posted this data, and also asked 417 and LJMS for logs of properly working ones so I knew what I was hunting. I was shown one log of what looked to be a 3-3.5 second pull, potentially a dyno pull but I'm not even sure and then mocked when I asked for more as the one that was shown was very difficult to see what was happening as the entire x-axis of the graph was cut off.
I would love to see the successes
I would love to see the successes
04-04-2017, 05:21 PM
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04-04-2017, 09:49 PM
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"Core comes from TX, everything else is cut, welded/assembled in Springfield, MO. The machine cuts are intentionally course as that's what the general purchasing public prefers. It's. It a paper weight the 2.5" version knocks over 250* out of my charge temp. It's not a replacement for a race intercooler, it was actually intitially designed to work in conjunction with the Vintage Air refrigeration system and a chiller as a 100% self supporting A2W intercooler system. Drag Week 2013 between Memphis and St. Louis the cabin of my Nova was 75 degrees the intercooler water 65 degrees the outside ambient air temp 95-100 degrees. Steve Morris and Tom Bailey were hanging out in beer coolers at every gas stop. Those are all facts."
That's the only data I saw over there. Not much.
That's the only data I saw over there. Not much.
04-05-2017, 04:04 AM
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"Core comes from TX, everything else is cut, welded/assembled in Springfield, MO. The machine cuts are intentionally course as that's what the general purchasing public prefers. It's. It a paper weight the 2.5" version knocks over 250* out of my charge temp. It's not a replacement for a race intercooler, it was actually intitially designed to work in conjunction with the Vintage Air refrigeration system and a chiller as a 100% self supporting A2W intercooler system. Drag Week 2013 between Memphis and St. Louis the cabin of my Nova was 75 degrees the intercooler water 65 degrees the outside ambient air temp 95-100 degrees. Steve Morris and Tom Bailey were hanging out in beer coolers at every gas stop. Those are all facts."
That's the only data I saw over there. Not much.
That's the only data I saw over there. Not much.
Mind you, mine isn't pulling anywhere near "250* out", guess what? This thread wouldn't exist if it was. Also, there has yet to be a single log from anyone showing that it can do that. None.
Keep that in mind as I have shown mine to not be performing even close to the standards he mentions. If that's actually what the cooler is supposed to be doing, then why is my unit not doing so, and why am
I unable to get them to stand behind the product?
I'm preaching the choir but I think at this point you guys are seeing what's going on here
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04-05-2017, 05:58 AM
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I read the thread on YB, funny thing is, if its "designed" to work with a killer chiller type set up or bla bla bla, why would they market it as 1500hp? Also, in all my readings and countless site visits, thats the first i ve heard or read of it needing to work in conjunction with an AC chiller set up. I had a killer chiller on my 700rwhp ford lightning, it was an awesum set up. But never until now did i get the impression it was needed with this set up...lol, now it ll be a $5000 1500 hp capable IC set up. 20,000 views and still no one steppn up to say it works for them with actual data logs?!?!?!
04-05-2017, 06:11 AM
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This is just sad at this point
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04-05-2017, 08:30 AM
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I'll bet you $2000 it'll take at least 150* out of the charge air on my car.
I think a couple of us that want to see him succeed have talked him into a make shift snorkel that sticks out of the engine compartment so the turbo isn't pulling in 150+degree air through the radiator. I still question good water flow through the entire system as I fought similar issues myself and switched from a PRP (mezire style) billet 50 gallon pump to a Davies Craig EWP150 which is similar in design but much larger than what he's using and 1.5" ID lines
I think a couple of us that want to see him succeed have talked him into a make shift snorkel that sticks out of the engine compartment so the turbo isn't pulling in 150+degree air through the radiator. I still question good water flow through the entire system as I fought similar issues myself and switched from a PRP (mezire style) billet 50 gallon pump to a Davies Craig EWP150 which is similar in design but much larger than what he's using and 1.5" ID lines
04-05-2017, 10:11 AM
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Switching from a Rule 2000 with 3/4" lines to the EWP with 1" lines he was rewarded with a 10 degree drop. Now its suggested 1.5" lines and an even larger pump, is that going to gain another 10? If they had any logs to backup these suggestions then it would be appreciated rather then throwing money into the wind.
The fact that it was mentioned that the core was designed to be used with an AC system is shocking...
04-05-2017, 10:36 AM
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More gpm helps efficiency but not in that order of magnitude. I went from a 15GPM system flow to 21GPM system flow and dropped 7 degrees peak to peak. I'll take it but it's not like a 50f drop.
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That could be. I'd also be curious if they have switched core suppliers somewhere along the line. It's purely conjecture, but from a business standpoint, I can see the allure of cutting mfg costs. If, somewhere along the line, they started putting a lesser quality core in them, either less than optimum material, reduced fin density, or both... that might something.
Again... That's just a thought and is completely unsubstantiated.
Still haven't seen any presentation of proof these ever worked well though.
Curious to see where this goes and what comes of the whole debacle.
Again... That's just a thought and is completely unsubstantiated.
Still haven't seen any presentation of proof these ever worked well though.
Curious to see where this goes and what comes of the whole debacle.
04-05-2017, 04:42 PM
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I coud care less......Now I would have held my tongue if the sponsor had manned up and bothered working with the OP. But I can't stand when someone spends their hard earned money with someone and when stuff goings wrong they get treated like crap. I can't tell you how many threads I've watched where people ask questions and LJMS flies in for 1 post and bashes others comments like he walks on water and everything he says is gospel with no data provided.
04-05-2017, 04:57 PM
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Although LJMS is a vendor, was he the vendor in this instance though ?
Are 417 a sponsor here ? was it bought direct ?
Obviously the issues here are with the product and potentially whoever sold it in the first place which may not be LJMS.
Are 417 a sponsor here ? was it bought direct ?
Obviously the issues here are with the product and potentially whoever sold it in the first place which may not be LJMS.
04-05-2017, 06:11 PM
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I want say that i saw a post on face book somewhere that ljms or someone had posted a dyno sheet of one of these things where they changed that water temp in the tank before a pass and it picked up big power. But that could also have been with the 2k hp rated cooler. I cant find it again though. Anyone else see that post or am i just crazy?