Granatelli Plug wires over 15 rwhp gain??
#121
If you have to ask, then it would seem silly.
The operation of an ignition system has been explained in detail, 20 million times on this site & I'm not gonna discuss its' operation again. Regardless, there's always those who believe in magic.
It won't get locked because it's discussing a product from a sponsor.
Lock it up.
The operation of an ignition system has been explained in detail, 20 million times on this site & I'm not gonna discuss its' operation again. Regardless, there's always those who believe in magic.
It won't get locked because it's discussing a product from a sponsor.
Lock it up.
#122
YES....for a high compression race engine or a "high horespower" forced induction or nitrous build. Key thing....HIGH POWER BUILDS. But better wires ALONE, without a more powerful ignition to deliver a MORE POWERFUL spark to take advantage of the better wires and a larger spark plig gap...........NO WAY IN HELL.
I've tried super-duper special wires on my 427ci....they did absolutely nothing. Nothing. Real life test, it really took place, I have the info everyone is looking for.
And NO........as someone in this thread said....the tiny little unmeasurable help that all these alleged "better" wires MAY provide.......NO, it won't do anything by way of improved performance. Not on the dyno and not seat of the pants feel. But I'll give you this.....you might save 1 gallon of gas every 10,000 miles through that tiny bit of help.
Look, if just a wire change offered REAL HP gains, I would get another set because it will add up with everything else. But they don't do **** UNLESS they are coupled with a better ignition system.
Problem in this thread for some is they have no understanding of WHY builders would want a better, more powerful spark capability.......one reason....so they can set a larger gap to make that spark LARGER....in an effort to burn a high compression fuel/air mixture and/or to get a better spark over a larger bore piston.
The only people who say they can feel a difference are usually the people who wasted that $105.00. They can all of sudden rip 2nd and 3rd gear, they can now beat their friends Mustang, they pull a half a car length on cars that normally pulled on them. Yada, yada, yada......
It will NEVER ever be proved on a dyno. I will pay anyone $1,000 cash if that takes place in front of me on a dyno of my choice. If it doesn't offer 15 HP....they pay me $1,000 and pay for the dyno sessions.
Any time.........any N/A engine with no more than 11.5:1 compression. And that test vehicle must have 100% perfectly functioning wires on it that do not misfire at all throughout the entire rpm range. No cars with broken wires or ones with 200,000 miles on it that are all messed up to begin with.
You find a plug wire set that will "by itself" make 15 HP for around $100 and you will make $10 million in one week from just 100,000 street/strip guys.....at a bare minimum. That would be the cheapest 15 HP mod ever designed in the automotive world. People would be going for that and holding off on their FAST 102mm intake....lol
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#124
If you have to ask, then it would seem silly.
The operation of an ignition system has been explained in detail, 20 million times on this site & I'm not gonna discuss its' operation again. Regardless, there's always those who believe in magic.
It won't get locked because it's discussing a product from a sponsor.
Lock it up.
The operation of an ignition system has been explained in detail, 20 million times on this site & I'm not gonna discuss its' operation again. Regardless, there's always those who believe in magic.
It won't get locked because it's discussing a product from a sponsor.
Lock it up.
#127
Considering the last set of wires I bought were off brand with a warranty that cost me like $60 and I burned one up in 2 weeks, regardless of gains "which if you read GRAN did not claim it was a third party" I think for an extra 40 bucks for wires that will last forever that are better then stock at least in their build, I'll take the chance.. I'll be picking these up in a week or so...
#128
Considering the last set of wires I bought were off brand with a warranty that cost me like $60 and I burned one up in 2 weeks, regardless of gains "which if you read GRAN did not claim it was a third party" I think for an extra 40 bucks for wires that will last forever that are better then stock at least in their build, I'll take the chance.. I'll be picking these up in a week or so...
When I get my new engine done here pretty soon, I'll definitely be getting some aftermarket wires....maybe these Granitellis, who knows. I just want a well made set and some red color. I already know there's zero performance gains to be had.
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#129
"Dude," I'm not in here as a troll; so, dream on. This site is one of few that isn't full of voo-doo remedies & products. What has been explained on this page alone is only one of the 20 billion times that it's been explained. Anyone considering this product needs to search & learn how an ignition system works, before blindly thinking that these wires alone are their answer.
Oh wait, let's start another 90 page thread abouth the new "Holley Street Warrior," so we can get 30 more free HP out of a magic intake. That way we'll have the intake, the wires & an empty wallet, LOL.
#130
I would think you "lock it" people would want this to stay open. Especially since people are saying that they're going to dyno test the wires against stock wires. That way when someone starts a thread about wires that wastes your precious time, you can just post a link to this thread to shut the n00b$ up
#131
Yes because it's effected by the brain. Hence why we have the term "Mental mods" like the TB spacer, fancy exhaust tips, "polished" TB, an Air filter, smooth bellows or even an oil change (sometimes felt.) You did something to the car. So your brain, prolly subconsciously, wants to feel like the money spent was justified.
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#133
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just wished they came in red
just wished they came in red
Stainless steel is spot on 25 feet still produced 0 ohm drop
You must do the back-to-back runs when the engine is at the exact same temp........and still there is always different numbers between runs. I say do 4 runs AT LEAST. Two runs means nothing and proves nothing. This is how companies like K&N and others can safely lie about gains.....they just do a bunch of dyno runs AFTER they put their super-duper part on the engine....and wait till one spikes to their liking.......
So at least do them when the temp of the engine is identical.
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So at least do them when the temp of the engine is identical.
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Everyone keeps throwing out 15hp. Was that on a truck with much longer plug wires or on an f-body with much shorter plug wires? The longer the wire, the more resistance, and the more a better wire is going to help. That's one thing the short wire f-body test has going against Granatelli. But if the resistance of the Granatelli is lower than stock there is going to be SOME improvement, that's not opinion it's just fact. It might be small and not register on a dyno, but it will be there. Maybe in the form of .01hp and .05mpg increase. But I'm an optimist in what seems to be a world of pessimists these days so I'm rooting for Granatelli.
http://www.gmsvideos.com/video/1345
Ford GT - http://www.gmsvideos.com/video/1358
Cobra - http://www.gmsvideos.com/video/1523
Viper it is no fluke - http://www.gmsvideos.com/video/1341
Fact: The voltage drop across these wires will be 4mV for Gran. 50v for "stock".
Granatelli Coils put out 80,000volts The factory car coils from 1998 to around 2002 or 03 were 45kv and the trucks were 60kv (KV is kilovolt and means 1000) around 04 or 05 all the GM coils were rated at 60kv cars and trucks, LS1, LS2, LS3, LS5, LS6, LS7, LSA, L99 - etc
come again? Truck wires are the same length as f-body wires. The only wires that are longer are GEN IV wires. LS2/LS3/LS7 have longer wires than a LS1. It doesnt matter if its a truck or car all the matters is if its a GEN III or GEN IV length plug wire. The GEN IV being slightly longer.
I wouldn't even believe 15rwhp on a SBC with foot upon foot of wire connecting the plugs to a single 50,000volt coil.
You're telling me plug wires 3-4" long connecting each plug to it's own high output coil is going to get that at stock compression levels? And you don't see why people here have their doubts?
Sounds like the people who get suckered into Monster brand HDMI cables.
You're telling me plug wires 3-4" long connecting each plug to it's own high output coil is going to get that at stock compression levels? And you don't see why people here have their doubts?
Sounds like the people who get suckered into Monster brand HDMI cables.
There ya go.....thats a reason to buy well built aftermarket wires. Unfortunately for me...I thought Taylor 10.4mm Thunderbolts would do that for me...longevity...I was wrong....5-6 of them broke at the boot while pulling them off by the boot and the wires inside started unwinding from the wire.....they were trash at that point. They came apart so easy.
When I get my new engine done here pretty soon, I'll definitely be getting some aftermarket wires....maybe these Granitellis, who knows. I just want a well made set and some red color. I already know there's zero performance gains to be had.
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When I get my new engine done here pretty soon, I'll definitely be getting some aftermarket wires....maybe these Granitellis, who knows. I just want a well made set and some red color. I already know there's zero performance gains to be had.
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#134
i saw that you had those in the sleeves.....but it was more $$$$.........so I stayed with your non-sleeved ones.......no heat issues so its not a pro
wow.......on your website it says that you have a patent on your wires...........kewl
wow.......on your website it says that you have a patent on your wires...........kewl
#135
- Here we go again – and here is what we offer in red – a fully fire sleeved wires set.
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Can those plugs be yanked by the wire...by chance?
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#136
Wires have 2 patents - this is how we are the only ones that can run 0 ohm solid core wires with no EMI or RFI
It would be great to have a wire that can be yanked from the wire itself and NOT by the boot, and will not break. Just because of how friggin hard it is to get a grip on a couple of the spark plug boot ends (two passengers side rear plugs) with our limited space in there.
Can those plugs be yanked by the wire...by chance?
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Can those plugs be yanked by the wire...by chance?
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#137
- Here we go again – and here is what we offer in red – a fully fire sleeved wires set.
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#139
Are you saying that bigger wires for your stereo is not better? Again I understand why many are none believers they dont know any better because no one else has been able to achieve what we have and not produce RFI and EMI that is where our patents came in we got the best of both worlds
I tried some high output truck coils on my car, if your info is correct then those coils produce 15,000volts more for each cylinder than the stock ones. Correct? 60,000v versus 45,000v. I saw zero gains at the track or by anything I could monitor in EFI live that would indicate increased performance.
"The voltage drop across these wires will be 4mV for Gran. 50v for "stock"."
So, no measurable real world gains from 15,000volts each...but claiming 10-15rwhp for 50v each.
That is the problem I'm having here.