New cams from Tick Performance
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IIRC Fear LS had .050-.060" intake valve clearance with his TEA Stage 2 heads, but I believe those castings have 2.04/1.57 diameter valves. He runs a .040" Cometic if memory serves me correctly and his heads may of been milled slightly.
You may end up having to fly-cut.
You may end up having to fly-cut.
IIRC Fear LS had .050-.060" intake valve clearance with his TEA Stage 2 heads, but I believe those castings have 2.04/1.57 diameter valves. He runs a .040" Cometic if memory serves me correctly and his heads may of been milled slightly.
You may end up having to fly-cut.
You may end up having to fly-cut.
He had 63cc Chambers and 2.04/1.57 valves and ran a 0.040 gasket.
Mine have 62cc chambers and 2.02/1.57 valves.
Is it safe to say the difference in valve size will make up for the difference in milled surface loss?
Maybe running the 0.045 cometic would give me a little more cushion and not lose too much quench?
I am looking at around 11.2:1 SCR and 8.9 DCR correct?
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Thanks Martin, I just dug up his thread from last year and read through it.
He had 63cc Chambers and 2.04/1.57 valves and ran a 0.040 gasket.
Mine have 62cc chambers and 2.02/1.57 valves.
Is it safe to say the difference in valve size will make up for the difference in milled surface loss?
Maybe running the 0.045 cometic would give me a little more cushion and not lose too much quench?
I am looking at around 11.2:1 SCR and 8.9 DCR correct?
He had 63cc Chambers and 2.04/1.57 valves and ran a 0.040 gasket.
Mine have 62cc chambers and 2.02/1.57 valves.
Is it safe to say the difference in valve size will make up for the difference in milled surface loss?
Maybe running the 0.045 cometic would give me a little more cushion and not lose too much quench?
I am looking at around 11.2:1 SCR and 8.9 DCR correct?
Since you will be measuring anyways to ensure proper clearance, I wouldn't sweat it too much. On paper things can look perfect, but in the car things can and do change due to tolerances.
I'd keep the .040" on it if you're committed to fly cutting if it's necessary.
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Been really wanting to do a cam swap on my 02, 50,000 mile camaro. I've read many pages of this thread and I'm considering the sns stage 2 or 3 but really leaning towards the 3. Car has long tubes ory and custom cat back with a single inlet single outlet flowmaster.
Martin I spoke with Fear LS....he used a 0.051 gasket and had .065 ptv clearance.
If I use the 0.051 MLS gasket I will end up with 11.06:1 SCR and 8.75:1 DCR. And I will avoid flycutting (hopefully).
If I use the 0.040 cometic gasket I will end up with 11.38:1 SCR and 9.00:1 DCR. However I would definitely have to cut pistons.
Are these differences in compression worth my time and money to flycut the pistons in your opinion?
Thanks
If I use the 0.051 MLS gasket I will end up with 11.06:1 SCR and 8.75:1 DCR. And I will avoid flycutting (hopefully).
If I use the 0.040 cometic gasket I will end up with 11.38:1 SCR and 9.00:1 DCR. However I would definitely have to cut pistons.
Are these differences in compression worth my time and money to flycut the pistons in your opinion?
Thanks
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Been really wanting to do a cam swap on my 02, 50,000 mile camaro. I've read many pages of this thread and I'm considering the sns stage 2 or 3 but really leaning towards the 3. Car has long tubes ory and custom cat back with a single inlet single outlet flowmaster.
Martin I spoke with Fear LS....he used a 0.051 gasket and had .065 ptv clearance.
If I use the 0.051 MLS gasket I will end up with 11.06:1 SCR and 8.75:1 DCR. And I will avoid flycutting (hopefully).
If I use the 0.040 cometic gasket I will end up with 11.38:1 SCR and 9.00:1 DCR. However I would definitely have to cut pistons.
Are these differences in compression worth my time and money to flycut the pistons in your opinion?
Thanks
If I use the 0.051 MLS gasket I will end up with 11.06:1 SCR and 8.75:1 DCR. And I will avoid flycutting (hopefully).
If I use the 0.040 cometic gasket I will end up with 11.38:1 SCR and 9.00:1 DCR. However I would definitely have to cut pistons.
Are these differences in compression worth my time and money to flycut the pistons in your opinion?
Thanks
I don't recommend everyone do this, but some do not want to fly-cut and still have a max effort combination with the biggest cam they can fit in it.
In terms of being "worth it", I have some customers who are willing to spend 1k dollars for 20hp. Some don't want to spend more than 350 dollars for 20hp. Being "worth it" is relative to the person who is forking out the dollars at the end of the day.
I'll tell you that the .040" gasket versus the .051" is worth about 8-12hp and almost just as much torque. If that is "worth it" to you, go for it.
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Martin . My car is driven mabee 30 miles a month or so. It's a m6 and only goal is have a good sounding and performing street car. I have no plans on heading to the track. I want usable street power. I have a 68 c10 with a 02 ls1 that has a street sweeper ht from fti I I like the usable street power it has. The more I read I'm really thinking tha sns stage 2 would probably be a better choice but your the expert .
LS7jUnKiE- If you ran the .051" gasket, you're not going to have to fly-cut. You would have sufficient clearance.
Now if you're going to fly-cut and want to run the .040" gasket, I would have your local machine shop mill the heads a little more. Get the most bang for the buck! That's just my $0.02.
What type of fuel will you be running? Any power adder?
James
Now if you're going to fly-cut and want to run the .040" gasket, I would have your local machine shop mill the heads a little more. Get the most bang for the buck! That's just my $0.02.
What type of fuel will you be running? Any power adder?
James
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Verdad Gallardo LS7jUnKiE- If you ran the .051" gasket, you're not going to have to fly-cut. You would have sufficient clearance.
Now if you're going to fly-cut and want to run the .040" gasket, I would have your local machine shop mill the heads a little more. Get the most bang for the buck! That's just my $0.02.
What type of fuel will you be running? Any power adder?
James
Now if you're going to fly-cut and want to run the .040" gasket, I would have your local machine shop mill the heads a little more. Get the most bang for the buck! That's just my $0.02.
What type of fuel will you be running? Any power adder?
James
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Martin . My car is driven mabee 30 miles a month or so. It's a m6 and only goal is have a good sounding and performing street car. I have no plans on heading to the track. I want usable street power. I have a 68 c10 with a 02 ls1 that has a street sweeper ht from fti I I like the usable street power it has. The more I read I'm really thinking tha sns stage 2 would probably be a better choice but your the expert .
It does lose a little torque(8-15) from idle to 2750-3000rpm depending on what headers, merge and exhaust you have. The SNS Stage 2 loses around (4-8) in that same RPM range. Again depending on merge, headers and exhaust
I'd also ditch the Flowmaster muffler for a Magnaflow or a Hooker Aerochamber. Proven HP gain.
OK...so it looks like my cam-only C5 plans are also going to include heads.
A guy at a local shop will be porting up a set of milled 241 heads for me. Sounds like the ending compression ratio will be in the 11.2:1 range so I'm guessing around a 60cc chamber, which also means about .040" milled off of them to get that CR. I'm waiting to hear exactly how much has been/will be milled off but I think I'm close.
Now...with the Street Heat Stage 2 camshaft that I have sitting here in a box, will I run into PTV issues with heads milled this much? I realize that I will need to run shorter pushrods also (7.300-7.350?). Again, I will not be doing the install. My tuner and the guy doing the heads is confident that we can see 430-440rwhp and 400+ft-lbs with the milled/ported 241s and your camshaft (if it will fit...), 1-7/8" longtubes and offroad X, LS6 manifold and TB, AFE CAI, ASP 25% underdrive pulley, 36lb injectors.
Thanks for any info on this.
A guy at a local shop will be porting up a set of milled 241 heads for me. Sounds like the ending compression ratio will be in the 11.2:1 range so I'm guessing around a 60cc chamber, which also means about .040" milled off of them to get that CR. I'm waiting to hear exactly how much has been/will be milled off but I think I'm close.
Now...with the Street Heat Stage 2 camshaft that I have sitting here in a box, will I run into PTV issues with heads milled this much? I realize that I will need to run shorter pushrods also (7.300-7.350?). Again, I will not be doing the install. My tuner and the guy doing the heads is confident that we can see 430-440rwhp and 400+ft-lbs with the milled/ported 241s and your camshaft (if it will fit...), 1-7/8" longtubes and offroad X, LS6 manifold and TB, AFE CAI, ASP 25% underdrive pulley, 36lb injectors.
Thanks for any info on this.
OK. Just talked to my tuner (works at the same shop as the head porter) and he's saying that he doubts the heads are/will be milled that much. He is going to get some solid data from the head-porter guy about the milling and get back to me. Thanks for the quick response.
I'm a little late to the party but I just wanted to add this for anyone thinking of going with Tick Performance.
This is the second time I've dealt with Tick. The first time the let me get in on the group buy for the Tick Adjustable Master when I was a day late and STILL didn't charge me shipping... TO HAWAII!! WHOA. This time I was/am in the market for a head cam setup. Martin was very patient with me, explained everything for me, took the time to spec out a whole setup for me and so far I couldn't be happier. I realize there are a lot of great choices to go with in the LS world, and most of them are great, but so far their customer service with Martin in particular have been outstanding. Thanks for everything so far Martin, I'll be calling soon about those TF heads we talked about!
This is the second time I've dealt with Tick. The first time the let me get in on the group buy for the Tick Adjustable Master when I was a day late and STILL didn't charge me shipping... TO HAWAII!! WHOA. This time I was/am in the market for a head cam setup. Martin was very patient with me, explained everything for me, took the time to spec out a whole setup for me and so far I couldn't be happier. I realize there are a lot of great choices to go with in the LS world, and most of them are great, but so far their customer service with Martin in particular have been outstanding. Thanks for everything so far Martin, I'll be calling soon about those TF heads we talked about!
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I'm a little late to the party but I just wanted to add this for anyone thinking of going with Tick Performance.
This is the second time I've dealt with Tick. The first time the let me get in on the group buy for the Tick Adjustable Master when I was a day late and STILL didn't charge me shipping... TO HAWAII!! WHOA. This time I was/am in the market for a head cam setup. Martin was very patient with me, explained everything for me, took the time to spec out a whole setup for me and so far I couldn't be happier. I realize there are a lot of great choices to go with in the LS world, and most of them are great, but so far their customer service with Martin in particular have been outstanding. Thanks for everything so far Martin, I'll be calling soon about those TF heads we talked about!
This is the second time I've dealt with Tick. The first time the let me get in on the group buy for the Tick Adjustable Master when I was a day late and STILL didn't charge me shipping... TO HAWAII!! WHOA. This time I was/am in the market for a head cam setup. Martin was very patient with me, explained everything for me, took the time to spec out a whole setup for me and so far I couldn't be happier. I realize there are a lot of great choices to go with in the LS world, and most of them are great, but so far their customer service with Martin in particular have been outstanding. Thanks for everything so far Martin, I'll be calling soon about those TF heads we talked about!
Martin, can the sns stg 2 be ran in a stock 6.0 truck motor with same results? It will have the usual valve train upgrades but truck intake and heads.
I'm looking for a tire burning tq monster setup.
I'm looking for a tire burning tq monster setup.