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Old Nov 13, 2006 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Or maybe the throttle body's never reach 100% because the cable Cam isn't cut to clear the PCV setup
Mostly ETC cars so that rules that out.
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Truthfully, with a 402ci with ET 240cc heads I would expect static compression around 12-1 with a Cam in the high 240's.Then a single plain intake would shine for 5500rpm and up.

you're close on all accounts.. compression is probably closer to 13 to 1 then 12 to 1 though. And with a converter that flashes to 6000, probably worth while to try the swap. At least removing the hood, do the swap, adjust the tune, and see where it's at.. before I go cutting the hood to make the elbow clear anyway.
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Originally Posted by CollinsAutomotive
Mostly ETC cars so that rules that out.
Then you better talk to your tuner If your losing power on all the cars that have the FAST setup something is really wrong
Old Nov 13, 2006 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Then you better talk to your tuner If your losing power on all the cars that have the FAST setup something is really wrong
Oh as if a 436rwhp 392 Mustang HP car is lossing power through the tune ?? come one man. All variations of timing and fuel were tried.
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this guy is just pulling yalls chain
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this guy is just pulling yalls chain
thats what Im starting to think, for someone to come forward and say a tried and true product doesnt work without multiple well documented data it just doesnt add up.
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I wonder if I switch back to the LS6 intake manifold if I can finally get 135mph out of my 346" with some decent air.
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This is the first I've heard of the fast 90 not making power, and I think other people's results have proven the fast 90 over and over again. I have to wonder what is going on at this one shop.

I'll be running the fast 90 with my h/c setup, and I will test it against other intakes.

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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 06:28 AM
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I don't think the runners are that good. There are some shapping things in the FAST that make me go Hmmmm. I haven;t had time to really research the issue. When i get some down time i plan on trying to figure out the problem and if there is a solution.
Also, if a standing wave issue, I would think there would be an acoustic signature of some type associated with this.
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Originally Posted by vettenuts
Also, if a standing wave issue, I would think there would be an acoustic signature of some type associated with this.

Look at the comparison curves between the ls6 and the Fast. there is in fact a large dip in the power curve that looks like a standing wave action issue.
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Originally Posted by Cobraeater
Anyway, this is the first I've heard of the fast 90 not making power, and I think other people results have proven the fast 90 over and over again. I have to wonder what is going on at this one shop.

I'll be running the fast 90 with my h/c setup, and I will test it against other intakes.
Honest results. I am collecting up the other dyno graphs Have to call people and get release permissions.Will be up at the end of the day.

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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 02sierraz71_5.3
thats what Im starting to think, for someone to come forward and say a tried and true product doesnt work without multiple well documented data it just doesnt add up.
Old Nov 14, 2006 | 10:42 AM
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If you think you have wave interactions being influenced by valve events, this discussion is seriously flawed without knowing at least the general cam specs.

For it to be a harmonic problem, I would have thought that one real problem area would emerge, not a 3000 rpm range.
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We just put down 460rwhp through and LS6 intake, MS3 (237/242 .603 .609 113LSA), PRC stage 2.5 5.3L heads (1199 assembled )

We are swapping the FAST 90/90 onto the car today, I will post up the GAINS and disprove this immediately.

We had a fast 90/90 pick up over 30 on a 98 H/C car last week coming from the LS1 manifold.

Thank You.
Old Nov 14, 2006 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Zach@Texas-Speed
We just put down 460rwhp through and LS6 intake, MS3 (237/242 .603 .609 113LSA), PRC stage 2.5 5.3L heads (1199 assembled )

We are swapping the FAST 90/90 onto the car today, I will post up the GAINS and disprove this immediately.

We had a fast 90/90 pick up over 30 on a 98 H/C car last week coming from the LS1 manifold.

Thank You.
Ls1 intake would be a weak link. Don't forget to try a ls6 with a 70mm TB.
Old Nov 14, 2006 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CollinsAutomotive
Ls1 intake would be a weak link. Don't forget to try a ls6 with a 70mm TB.
Stock TBs are 75mm and Zach said they have a LS6 with those results.
What do you do at CollinsAuto anyways????
From another thread you were on and this one I'm starting to suspect
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Thanks for the entertainment value in this thread...I kinda enjoyed watching this Collins dude make an *** of himself. I think I'm gonna go ride my wave interactions all the way to Burger King, cuz I'm hungry.
Old Nov 14, 2006 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Stock TBs are 75mm and Zach said they have a LS6 with those results.
What do you do at CollinsAuto anyways????
From another thread you were on and this one I'm starting to suspect
Here is a qeustion you should ask yourself. What do I have to gain by not advising the use of the FAST 78 or 90/90 ???I don"t sell parts. I just posted the results. If you don't like the results then look at the FAST intake and ask why it doesn't work. I think we have alot of wanna be engine builder putting there input where it doesn't belong.The results are the results. There was a ton of effort put into testing this out only to find out that a person spent $1200 to loose power. To what end does this work in favor of you the consumer. Go ahead spout your BS and be full of yourself. IF you had a clue as to what the problem was i would gladly here it. Its definatly not the camshaft.The car is incrediably fast. The question is what is so wrong with the FAST plenum and runner design that the car dropped almost 30lb ft of TQ across the RPM band ?Sure you could rework the camshaft to rev up another 600rpm and maybe recapture the upper end HP but at the cost of TQ. You might break even on the HP.
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Originally Posted by MeentSS02
Thanks for the entertainment value in this thread...I kinda enjoyed watching this Collins dude make an *** of himself. I think I'm gonna go ride my wave interactions all the way to Burger King, cuz I'm hungry.
Ignorance. Just Plain ignorance.
Old Nov 14, 2006 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Zach@Texas-Speed
We just put down 460rwhp through and LS6 intake, MS3 (237/242 .603 .609 113LSA), PRC stage 2.5 5.3L heads (1199 assembled )

We are swapping the FAST 90/90 onto the car today, I will post up the GAINS and disprove this immediately.

We had a fast 90/90 pick up over 30 on a 98 H/C car last week coming from the LS1 manifold.

Thank You.
What exactly are you going to disprove ?? The car lost Power Period. there is no discussion on this point. the real question should be WHY.



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