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Old 11-24-2009, 11:30 PM
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I think.. if anyone remembers afew months ago my car out of no where started to backfire, hesitate, stumble, and just plane ol' run like ****! i had pulled and replaced my opti and double checked my new msd coil, and wires. but still the problem endured. i hadnt had any time in the past month to figure it out. until tonight when i pulled off my passenger side valve cover to find this...



my intake valve spring on my #8 cylinder **** the bed... there comp cams beehives with about 7k (hard) miles on them. i guess they dont like revving to 6700 rpm alot hahaha

by any chance does anyone have a link to the patriot springs? thanks
Old 11-24-2009, 11:37 PM
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That sucks, Good that you found the problem though.
Old 11-24-2009, 11:39 PM
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Just be thankful your valve didn't drop inside the engine lol

Do they even sell just one spring? Or are you upgrading?
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Originally Posted by airfix
That sucks, Good that you found the problem though.
yeah man i hope this does it! ive been through everything 3 times over! 2 sets of plus, 2 sets of wires, pulled my fuel pump, checked fuel psi everything was fine i wouldnt figure it out until that lol

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Just be thankful your valve didn't drop inside the engine lol

Do they even sell just one spring? Or are you upgrading?
i know im thankful as ******* hell that i didnt blow a hole through a piston!

they actually do sell just one spring its like $13 from summit. im probably going to replace just the one spring then when i save up the cash get the patriot spring kit. ive heard alot of people run them with no problems
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you may have gotten a bad batch, i did. dont take the chance, just replace them all
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https://www.patriot-performance.com/...2&bestseller=Y

Glad you found the problem. Love my Patriot springs.
Old 11-25-2009, 12:27 AM
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I'll make sure I never buy comp cams Beehive series springs.

Thanks for the Warning

Comps prices are out of site they should replace the whole set for free.
Send them a photo and a link to this page I am interested to see if they even reply.

I mean 7k mls lol

B&B Exhaust never even replied to a letter I sent them.

Like alot of people I want to deal with a reputable manufacture and at the price of Horsepower these days I don't think thats unreasonable

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does your rocker have any clearance issues with "bottoming out" on the rocker stud?? i have a buddy who had clearance issues with them? if that makes sense
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Call Comp. They are a great company to deal with. There was a bad batch of them a few years ago, you may have received those. If so they will take care of it and replace all of them.

I personally would skip over the Patriots and go for some PACs myself if you are gonna change it up.
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Why, have you actually used Patriots?
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thanks for the replys guys. im happy i found the problem as wellit was driving me F#cking Insane! atleast with a busted spring like that i can actually see the problem lol. i would like to get the engine up and running again but ill wait till i save up enough and buy a full new set. or should i just run the PAC springs? could i reuse all the hardware that i have for my 918's??

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does your rocker have any clearance issues with "bottoming out" on the rocker stud?? i have a buddy who had clearance issues with them? if that makes sense

actully 2 of them did but i chamfered the bottom of it with a file and it solved that one. but it wasnt happening to my #8 rockers

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Call Comp. They are a great company to deal with. There was a bad batch of them a few years ago, you may have received those. If so they will take care of it and replace all of them.

I personally would skip over the Patriots and go for some PACs myself if you are gonna change it up.

why wouldnt you run the patriot springs?? ive heard only great things about them, unless you have a bad personal experience with them ?
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Originally Posted by LT1WS6
does your rocker have any clearance issues with "bottoming out" on the rocker stud?? i have a buddy who had clearance issues with them? if that makes sense
Probably because standard rocker studs are being used instead of tapered. A tapered stud should always be used with a roller fulcrum style rocker.
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im using tapered studs but the comp ultra golds that i have, have a big body
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I saw enough guys in my local club have problems with them throughout the years, enough to where I would stay away.
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Really? I havent heard anything negitive about the Patriot springs? What type of problems did they have?

Glad you found the prob!
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Yup that was my problem with my '94 also the bad batch from CC. Dropped a valve and now I have the '99. The '94 was parted out and scrapped.
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Originally Posted by madhatter
I saw enough guys in my local club have problems with them throughout the years, enough to where I would stay away.
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Really? I havent heard anything negitive about the Patriot springs? What type of problems did they have?

Glad you found the prob!
i second this. what problems did they have ? and thanks achotrod it was driving me up a wall for 3 months! i cant believe i was so stupid and didnt pull my valve covers sooner im just real happy i didnt drop a valve :x

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Yup that was my problem with my '94 also the bad batch from CC. Dropped a valve and now I have the '99. The '94 was parted out and scrapped.
that sucks man im sorry to hear that. its a shave to have something so small ruin an entire car
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Nope, I’d say all turned out good. I got a way better car (LS1) and swapped to it most of the suspension & chassis stuff from the ‘94.

I’m very, very happy to have gone to an LS1.
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Wow, glad to hear you found the problem.
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I just went to the Patriot Gold Extremes, my beehives ( LE2 heads ) were letting a lifter jump off the cam, bend the spider, and make a racket. I replaced the beehives, lifters, and spider put it back together and let her run again. The motor feels much better up top and pulls till I shift it, the limiter is set at 6900.


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