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Old 06-05-2010, 05:26 PM
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to control boost better
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What he said, more precise control of the boost down to the tenth of a #. With a motor that makes a **** ton of torque, the boost is very sensitive.
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Slowing moving along...





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Coming along very nicely!
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i havent read in a while but i just saw the 2 sets of injectors are you going to run it on alky? or just keeping the gasoline going?
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keeping gas
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Whats with the Waste gate on the cold side? or do my eyes deceive me?
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There is a wastegate on the cold side.
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Part of the "stage control" or something?
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kinda sorta
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If I understand what's happening there, you're letting more of the exhaust get the car spool the turbo, but are bleeding the boost so that you have the amount you want to leav on controlled, but the turbo's already more up to speed, so you can bring the power in sooner, if the track and car will allow.

Is that correct?
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That might work but no. The intake wastgate will be on a switch and that switch will make the intake wastegate only work while in the stage beams so your boost is 100% the same every time.
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That also makes sense.

What I was thinking along the lines of... I can see working very good. Control the boost off what the turbo's making, and let it make as much as possible.... certainly would decrease the wait time out of the gates to get it up to speed. Something to try.
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The boost comes in too fast as it is on a radial car, you actually need to slow it down in the beginning and speed it up at the end.
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Understood. Just not sure if you can ramp it in as fast as you want, vs what the setup is capable of vs what the car/track can take

If you wanted to bring it in faster then the standard methods will allow, this might be a way to get there.
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If the engine turbo system is setup properly which more than 50% aren't, boost will come in at 28-32# of boost per second. So if you leave on 8# of boost, at 1 second you could have 38# of boost which is way more than any radial can handle. On a fast radial car you need to have all the boost in between 180 and 240' out.
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Originally Posted by stoopidslow
Whats with the Waste gate on the cold side? or do my eyes deceive me?
Originally Posted by Phil99vette
There is a wastegate on the cold side.
I think it's a spool valve...but correct me if I'm wrong

EDIT: DAMN! Tree'd!
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Making good progress...

The next two weeks should be really good. The intercooler pipes are almost 100% done, the tube from the turbo to the firewall is done, I've got a small section to add to the feed to the intercooler and just weld the v-bands on the feed and return to the motor.

Started plumbing the wastegates and blow off valves, just need to figure out where to mount the solenoids. My buddy Joe @ Tempest racing is going to start on the fuel tanks this weeks, hopefully they will be done by the end of the week. Strange called on the axles, they should be here tuesday/wednesday. I got the driveshaft loop bent so once the rear gets 100% centered I'll weld that in. I went ahead and ordered 2 more 4" elbows to finish off the exhaust, the 5" tubes have such a large radius, I can't sneak the tube past the dry sump pulley. Once the mockup gets done, I'll pull everything out and touch up the chassis and throw her back together, paint will have to wait.

Talking to some of the local guys the outlaw radial cars are starting to hit the track and the competition is going to be tough as last year. Last year you had to run 4.85s to just make the show at a few of the races. This year with the changes that everyone has made to their programs its likely to see a handful of cars in the 4.6-4.7 range. Some of the local guys....Ritchie Stine in Rickey Fox's 700" Fulton powered mustang going 4.74, Francis Johnson with his 6xx BB going 4.70 with 300# more weight, Scott Bitzer is coming with a BB and supercharger, Matt Butrim's got a new big block supercharged setup coming last year they went into the 70s, John carter Big block twin turbo corvette is still working the setup but he has been into the 60s, Al Marlow is always tough, on 275s he has been 4.93s, 4.78-4.80 on the big tires Who knows who else will show @ MIR, they always have stiff competition.







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Wish ya luck bro. Go out there and show em you can do more with less.
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The right axles finally came in and eliminated two problems, the tires were rubbing the fenders at the back corner when the car was at normal ride height so I had to jack up the back of the car, now the suspension is at the right height for how the suspension is setup.

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