Supercharger vs Turbo.... OFFICIAL ARGUMENT THREAD.
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This is from 2009, but shows what a D-1SC can do. Bob
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This is from 2009, but shows what a D-1SC can do. Bob
On a side note, I had a nice conversation with Dan Jones at Indy NMCA this year. Interesting guy.
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This one is from 2007 when KP was running his '98 T/A. Bob
This one is from 2007 when KP was running his '98 T/A. Bob
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Sayin 150-160 is nothing means it's easy to make them go that fast so I would figure that's a bolt on car then. Low 10s stock is good but for the same price I'll stick with my old built LS cars.
No one said they were slow. Post up the person who said they're slow. I couldn't find it. You were the one that said it's nothing for them to trap 150-160 and the fastest gtr list means nothing to me. Those cars have crazy money and time and work in them to run that. Much respect to them for being on the fastest list. Definitely not easy to get on a fastest list for any car IMO.
Just curious. What does your gtr run?
I'm having fun. Figured rotary can school me a little. Like I said earlier, I didn't know it was easy to make them trap 150-160 in the 1/4. Learn something new every day.
No one said they were slow. Post up the person who said they're slow. I couldn't find it. You were the one that said it's nothing for them to trap 150-160 and the fastest gtr list means nothing to me. Those cars have crazy money and time and work in them to run that. Much respect to them for being on the fastest list. Definitely not easy to get on a fastest list for any car IMO.
Just curious. What does your gtr run?
I'm having fun. Figured rotary can school me a little. Like I said earlier, I didn't know it was easy to make them trap 150-160 in the 1/4. Learn something new every day.
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KP could indeed do a lot with a D-1SC and an F Body. Bob
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They are so slow!!
http://www.gtrlife.com/forums/topic/...mile-rankings/
I run the same data logger these cars do, I know what the healthy cars do on the street, and it is impressive
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I run the same data logger these cars do, I know what the healthy cars do on the street, and it is impressive
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The potential of those cars is huge, and they can do anything, not just point and shoot
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Most of the single digit GT-R's I've seen at the track had more $ in mods then my whole car cost. A Jacks trans rebuild alone costs more then my car. I wouldn't say its terribly easy either because I've seen plenty struggle to make it out of the 10's or break past 140MPH. Launching problems, shifting problems, boost cut problems, every platform has its struggle.
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Lool drag racing is everything isn't it? Loool
Those cars work at everything, road course, half mile, street rolls, and drag
Who gives a **** about price, it doesn't change the fact they are an awesome platform
Those cars work at everything, road course, half mile, street rolls, and drag
Who gives a **** about price, it doesn't change the fact they are an awesome platform
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My car is 100% a street car, but is not a daily driver. I'm in the northeast, and between shitty winters, and horrible roads, the car gets parked from November to March. I only drive the car to work a few times a month, as well as weekend cruises, so yes, that's not a lot of miles on the car, but most of that cruising is with the kids.
And centris are good for wanting a little more than stock???? Really? Damn near 900rwhp on the street is a little more than just 'a little more than stock'.
I like rowing gears, and like the instant power that is there as soon as I let out the clutch with each gear, something that doesn't happen unless you powershift a turbo car.
And centris are good for wanting a little more than stock???? Really? Damn near 900rwhp on the street is a little more than just 'a little more than stock'.
I like rowing gears, and like the instant power that is there as soon as I let out the clutch with each gear, something that doesn't happen unless you powershift a turbo car.
But on the same idea boost isn't as RPM dependent on a turbo car. You don't have to rev out a turbo car for full boost like a centrifugal blower. Someone here did a back to back test from Procharger to turbo and full boost was available ~3k RPM's earlier in the RPM range.
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I have no problems with 1k hp cars in my Camaro.
I'll be at No Fly Zone to prove it in October as well. I was also out in Mexico last night and had no problems with the cars out there even in 109* heat.
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And centris are good for wanting a little more than stock???? Really? Damn near 900rwhp on the street is a little more than just 'a little more than stock'.
I like rowing gears, and like the instant power that is there as soon as I let out the clutch with each gear, something that doesn't happen unless you powershift a turbo car.
I like rowing gears, and like the instant power that is there as soon as I let out the clutch with each gear, something that doesn't happen unless you powershift a turbo car.
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Who's a 135mph car? I'm not unless you're talking about the 1/8th. Well honestly that's too high in the 8th but it's good internet trash talk.
I have no problems with 1k hp cars in my Camaro.
I'll be at No Fly Zone to prove it in October as well. I was also out in Mexico last night and had no problems with the cars out there even in 109* heat.
I have no problems with 1k hp cars in my Camaro.
I'll be at No Fly Zone to prove it in October as well. I was also out in Mexico last night and had no problems with the cars out there even in 109* heat.
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What size compressor inducer is required for 900whp? At a glance a D1 with a 85mm inducer rated at 900hp isn't really all that impressive compared to the turbo outputs of that size. An F1 with a 95mm inducer rated at 1050hp is fairly lackluster compared to a turbo of that size. For comparison a smaller 80mm inducer turbo will easily make 900whp and a 94mm will make north of 1400.
But on the same idea boost isn't as RPM dependent on a turbo car. You don't have to rev out a turbo car for full boost like a centrifugal blower. Someone here did a back to back test from Procharger to turbo and full boost was available ~3k RPM's earlier in the RPM range.
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I don't understand the attraction for the modding crew, maybe AWD? They're the EVO kids all grown up I guess. They're not a great platform for speed as the $$ per MPH is through the roof with them. From a cool factor I'd take a Lambo, C6Z or Viper over a GTR. For speed I bought a catfish because modding even my old C5 or C6 was a PITA compared to it.
My point above is with a procharger you're not hanging with those 1k cars and a simple turbo setup has me laying waste to them. The higher you go, turbos make more sense. I loved my procharged C5, but it couldn't hang with todays cars. Want mid 6xx rwhp? procharge it. Want more? Turbo it.
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Yeah true, I mentioned them and whoooosh! the nut swingers flew in.
I don't understand the attraction for the modding crew, maybe AWD? They're the EVO kids all grown up I guess. They're not a great platform for speed as the $$ per MPH is through the roof with them. From a cool factor I'd take a Lambo, C6Z or Viper over a GTR. For speed I bought a catfish because modding even my old C5 or C6 was a PITA compared to it.
My point above is with a procharger you're not hanging with those 1k cars and a simple turbo setup has me laying waste to them. The higher you go, turbos make more sense. I loved my procharged C5, but it couldn't hang with todays cars. Want mid 6xx rwhp? procharge it. Want more? Turbo it.
I don't understand the attraction for the modding crew, maybe AWD? They're the EVO kids all grown up I guess. They're not a great platform for speed as the $$ per MPH is through the roof with them. From a cool factor I'd take a Lambo, C6Z or Viper over a GTR. For speed I bought a catfish because modding even my old C5 or C6 was a PITA compared to it.
My point above is with a procharger you're not hanging with those 1k cars and a simple turbo setup has me laying waste to them. The higher you go, turbos make more sense. I loved my procharged C5, but it couldn't hang with todays cars. Want mid 6xx rwhp? procharge it. Want more? Turbo it.
As for Prochargers saying they can't hang I'd have to disagree with. I have a buddy with a newer vette and an F1R turning bottom 9s on stock long block, trans, rear, suspension etc on 10# of boost. Now he had to do some fab work to make it fit but it can be done.