Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

New cams from Tick Performance

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-15-2013, 11:36 AM
  #681  
b0b
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (1)
 
b0b's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Huntington, WV
Posts: 361
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Tick SNS2 and hand ported 799s, 430rwhp/400rwtq final numbers. LS6 intake, through a S60

build: https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-pics-vid.html


Last edited by b0b; 09-15-2013 at 12:02 PM.
Old 09-15-2013, 09:26 PM
  #682  
FormerVendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Sales@Tick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Mount Airy, NC
Posts: 7,480
Likes: 0
Received 15 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mchicia1
Thanks. My cam was on a 111 icl, 115+4. Is this an off the shelf grind?
Look at the IVC difference between your cam and mine. 8 degrees!!! This is why duration figures never tell the whole story and why I always preach about not speaking in general terms when it comes to camshafts.

Even though your cam seems "middle of the road" in duration size, would you believe me if I told you my LS3 Stage 3 Polluter camshaft, our biggest and nastiest flagship cam has the same IVC event your 231/239 cam does? This will mean that our larger 235/246 112lsa cam will peak at the same RPM your cam does and make damn near identical torque under the curve, but with it's added overlap will pull much harder up top.

Again it's about combining valve events that the combination needs.

That 223/234 111+4 cam will give you back all of your low end AND some along with not neutering the car past 6000rpm. The 223/234 cam will be best shifted at 6600rpm and torque should peak around 4600-4800rpm.
Originally Posted by b0b
Tick SNS2 and hand ported 799s, 430rwhp/400rwtq final numbers. LS6 intake, through a S60

build: https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-pics-vid.html

LS1 heads/cammed Camaro dyno 430hp/400tq - YouTube
Very very nice numbers for a LS6 intake and a S60! I think Stroked383's set-up has some more in it after seeing these numbers. I think his heads are holding him back, but there is really no point in spending 1000+ bucks on 243's and porting them for 20-30rwhp when he has nitrous now.

Can't wait to see what it runs in the 1/8th now if it went 7.85 before with bolt ons and 100rwhp/60rwtq less!

Last edited by Sales@Tick; 09-15-2013 at 09:38 PM.
Old 09-16-2013, 10:31 AM
  #683  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (5)
 
mchicia1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 888
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Look at the IVC difference between your cam and mine. 8 degrees!!! This is why duration figures never tell the whole story and why I always preach about not speaking in general terms when it comes to camshafts.

Even though your cam seems "middle of the road" in duration size, would you believe me if I told you my LS3 Stage 3 Polluter camshaft, our biggest and nastiest flagship cam has the same IVC event your 231/239 cam does? This will mean that our larger 235/246 112lsa cam will peak at the same RPM your cam does and make damn near identical torque under the curve, but with it's added overlap will pull much harder up top.

Again it's about combining valve events that the combination needs.

That 223/234 111+4 cam will give you back all of your low end AND some along with not neutering the car past 6000rpm. The 223/234 cam will be best shifted at 6600rpm and torque should peak around 4600-4800rpm.
Yeah, I blew it big time, what can I say haha. Here was my thought process if it gives you any idea..

I had a 224/230 cam prior..

"Man, this 224/230 cam lopes hard anyway, may as well go bigger!". So I just selected a cam at random pretty much.

I knew immediately when I hit the throttle I made a mistake. I would bet it made less power everywhere than my old cam, probably even peak too.
Old 09-18-2013, 09:10 PM
  #684  
Teching In
iTrader: (5)
 
CROOKS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 32
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

1999 z28
85mm MAF, Fast 92mm combo, 42lb injectors, SNS 2 cam, Kooks 1 7/8" headers, 3" y pipe empty cats through slp lm1 and 2 chamber spintech, yank ss3800, 2.73 rear

358.9 hp 327.2 tq

Putting off compression test for now. I just heard from speedinc something with their dyno brake was dragging and is getting fixed. Car will go back next week to see if anything changes.




Last edited by CROOKS; 09-20-2013 at 10:03 AM.
Old 09-18-2013, 09:19 PM
  #685  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (1)
 
greenvortec97's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: CroSSby, TexaSS
Posts: 554
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by CROOKS
85mm MAF, Fast 92mm combo, 42lb injectors, SNS 2 cam, Kooks 1 7/8" headers, 3" y pipe empty cats through slp lm1 and 2 chamber spintech, yank ss3800, 2.73 rear

358.9 hp 327.2 tq

those numbers are awfully low
Old 09-18-2013, 09:35 PM
  #686  
Teching In
iTrader: (5)
 
CROOKS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 32
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by greenvortec97
those numbers are awfully low
I agree! I dont know why either
Old 09-18-2013, 09:37 PM
  #687  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (1)
 
DACTARI's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 801
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by CROOKS
I agree! I dont know why either
what motor?
Old 09-18-2013, 09:38 PM
  #688  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (1)
 
greenvortec97's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: CroSSby, TexaSS
Posts: 554
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by CROOKS
I agree! I dont know why either
what afr and how much timing?
Old 09-18-2013, 09:41 PM
  #689  
Teching In
iTrader: (5)
 
CROOKS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 32
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

1999 ls1

Looks like 13 afr
dont know the timing but was told he can only throw so much at it.

Last edited by CROOKS; 09-18-2013 at 10:46 PM.
Old 09-19-2013, 08:14 AM
  #690  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (5)
 
mchicia1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 888
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts

Default

13.0 AFR is too lean. 12.4 to 12.6 makes the best power, assuming the wideband is accurate.
Old 09-19-2013, 08:26 AM
  #691  
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (27)
 
Rise of the Phoenix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Jefferson City, MO
Posts: 9,728
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 9 Posts

Default

Martin, my ride will be dyno'd this month; just waiting for two places to get back with me regarding how soon they can get me in. Whichever can get me in first, that's where I'm going. It's been killing me waiting this long.

I think I can be right there with b0b, if not higher. Our mods are pretty much the same, minus my stock 10 bolt.
Old 09-19-2013, 08:33 AM
  #692  
Teching In
iTrader: (5)
 
CROOKS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 32
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mchicia1
13.0 AFR is too lean. 12.4 to 12.6 makes the best power, assuming the wideband is accurate.
I don't know the actual number. I just looked at the sheet.
Old 09-19-2013, 09:06 AM
  #693  
FormerVendor
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Sales@Tick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Mount Airy, NC
Posts: 7,480
Likes: 0
Received 15 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by greenvortec97
those numbers are awfully low
I agree. Converter could of been unlocked. Normally 20-40rwhp can be gained along with torque by locking the converter.
Originally Posted by mchicia1
13.0 AFR is too lean. 12.4 to 12.6 makes the best power, assuming the wideband is accurate.
Agreed. We see best power at 12.4-12.8. Our dyno's wide band is always .5-1.0 leaner than the wide band we use to tune with.

Most all dyno wide bands read like this from what I have seen, but I'm sure there are some or a lot that don't. I feel it's all where it's positioned in the exhaust.
Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
Martin, my ride will be dyno'd this month; just waiting for two places to get back with me regarding how soon they can get me in. Whichever can get me in first, that's where I'm going. It's been killing me waiting this long.

I think I can be right there with b0b, if not higher. Our mods are pretty much the same, minus my stock 10 bolt.
I think you'll hit at least 430/400. That said, I think you'll be closer to 440/410-450/420.
Old 09-19-2013, 09:10 AM
  #694  
Teching In
iTrader: (5)
 
CROOKS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 32
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

The converter locks up at 45mph on the street. Wouldn't it of locked up on the dyno? I will ask them to check. Anything else I should ask besides afr and timing?
Old 09-19-2013, 09:15 AM
  #695  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (1)
 
DACTARI's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 801
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Speed inc is supposed to be a good shop. What do they think is going on?
Old 09-19-2013, 09:26 AM
  #696  
Teching In
iTrader: (5)
 
CROOKS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 32
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Either the motor is tired but its not burning oil. Or maybe comp ground the cam wrong. It wasn't measured. They really didn't have a answer. None of the parts are junk and there isnt a Flowmaster on the car. He thought it would make 20 more horse but it didn't.
Old 09-19-2013, 10:46 AM
  #697  
Teching In
iTrader: (5)
 
CROOKS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 32
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

heard back from speedinc

A/F was 13.0:1

Total timing is 29*

Converter was locked.

So why didnt the car make more power?
Old 09-19-2013, 10:52 AM
  #698  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (1)
 
greenvortec97's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: CroSSby, TexaSS
Posts: 554
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by CROOKS
heard back from speedinc

A/F was 13.0:1

Total timing is 29*

Converter was locked.

So why didnt the car make more power?
might want to try 25-26* and 12.5-12.7 afr
Old 09-19-2013, 10:54 AM
  #699  
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (27)
 
Rise of the Phoenix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Jefferson City, MO
Posts: 9,728
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 9 Posts

Default

I don't think the issue is in the tune if Speed Inc. did it.
Old 09-19-2013, 10:58 AM
  #700  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (5)
 
mchicia1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 888
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by CROOKS
Either the motor is tired but its not burning oil. Or maybe comp ground the cam wrong. It wasn't measured. They really didn't have a answer. None of the parts are junk and there isnt a Flowmaster on the car. He thought it would make 20 more horse but it didn't.
It is way down, no doubt. Even with an auto, it's low.

Bust out the degree wheel.


Quick Reply: New cams from Tick Performance



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:35 AM.