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10-07-2010, 09:14 AM
THIS IS A DAILY DRIVER, NOT A RACE TRUCK.
Why are you even arguing about this setup? The A2W sucked because it was undersized and that's all there was room for within the confines. It works BETTER than it did before by leaps and bounds right now.
10-07-2010, 10:35 AM
I believe his issue was with that statement Nate made that "A2W sucks on the street".
Perhaps a better statement would be "The A2W on THIS TRUCK sucked on the street" and "A2A was much easier to fit in this case".
I have quite a few friends that know what they're talking about on the subject, so you can can the sarcasm.
And absolutely no offense to you Frost, as I understand you're a very good tuner, but geeze, this crowd goes through tuners like toilet paper. Every 6 months to a year, everyone is on here talking about how the tuner they LOVED last year is an idiot, and that everyone needs to be retuned by THIS guy, who is WAAAAAY better. Greenlight, whoever the hell they're referring to so stealthily now, and now Frost. If the other guys sucked, why was everyone all over their ***** before? Oh wait, random assumptions and herd mentality, got it.
Again, Frost, this has 0 to do with you, so don't take offense. I greatly respect your tuning capabilities from what I've read, just find it funny how fickle the locals can be on this stuff. It's like high school drama time.
Perhaps a better statement would be "The A2W on THIS TRUCK sucked on the street" and "A2A was much easier to fit in this case".
I have quite a few friends that know what they're talking about on the subject, so you can can the sarcasm.
And absolutely no offense to you Frost, as I understand you're a very good tuner, but geeze, this crowd goes through tuners like toilet paper. Every 6 months to a year, everyone is on here talking about how the tuner they LOVED last year is an idiot, and that everyone needs to be retuned by THIS guy, who is WAAAAAY better. Greenlight, whoever the hell they're referring to so stealthily now, and now Frost. If the other guys sucked, why was everyone all over their ***** before? Oh wait, random assumptions and herd mentality, got it.
Again, Frost, this has 0 to do with you, so don't take offense. I greatly respect your tuning capabilities from what I've read, just find it funny how fickle the locals can be on this stuff. It's like high school drama time.
10-07-2010, 12:30 PM
And absolutely no offense to you Frost, as I understand you're a very good tuner, but geeze, this crowd goes through tuners like toilet paper. Every 6 months to a year, everyone is on here talking about how the tuner they LOVED last year is an idiot, and that everyone needs to be retuned by THIS guy, who is WAAAAAY better. Greenlight, whoever the hell they're referring to so stealthily now, and now Frost. If the other guys sucked, why was everyone all over their ***** before? Oh wait, random assumptions and herd mentality, got it.
Again, Frost, this has 0 to do with you, so don't take offense. I greatly respect your tuning capabilities from what I've read, just find it funny how fickle the locals can be on this stuff. It's like high school drama time.
Again, Frost, this has 0 to do with you, so don't take offense. I greatly respect your tuning capabilities from what I've read, just find it funny how fickle the locals can be on this stuff. It's like high school drama time.
10-07-2010, 12:34 PM
I guess I'll add my $.02.
ProCharger was the first forced induction company to start using A/A intercoolers in their kits back in the 90's. For the longest time Vortech, their biggest direct competitor, swore up and down that air to air intercooling didn't work. Guess who uses air to air intercoolers in almost all of their kits now?
Air to water intercooling has it's place, and for some all-out applications it's great, but a majority of the time a street car is better with an A/A.
What do diesel trucks use?
ProCharger was the first forced induction company to start using A/A intercoolers in their kits back in the 90's. For the longest time Vortech, their biggest direct competitor, swore up and down that air to air intercooling didn't work. Guess who uses air to air intercoolers in almost all of their kits now?
Air to water intercooling has it's place, and for some all-out applications it's great, but a majority of the time a street car is better with an A/A.
What do diesel trucks use?
10-07-2010, 01:16 PM
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And absolutely no offense to you Frost, as I understand you're a very good tuner, but geeze, this crowd goes through tuners like toilet paper. Every 6 months to a year, everyone is on here talking about how the tuner they LOVED last year is an idiot, and that everyone needs to be retuned by THIS guy, who is WAAAAAY better. Greenlight, whoever the hell they're referring to so stealthily now, and now Frost. If the other guys sucked, why was everyone all over their ***** before? Oh wait, random assumptions and herd mentality, got it.
Again, Frost, this has 0 to do with you, so don't take offense. I greatly respect your tuning capabilities from what I've read, just find it funny how fickle the locals can be on this stuff. It's like high school drama time.
Again, Frost, this has 0 to do with you, so don't take offense. I greatly respect your tuning capabilities from what I've read, just find it funny how fickle the locals can be on this stuff. It's like high school drama time.
10-07-2010, 01:31 PM
I guess I'll add my $.02.
ProCharger was the first forced induction company to start using A/A intercoolers in their kits back in the 90's. For the longest time Vortech, their biggest direct competitor, swore up and down that air to air intercooling didn't work. Guess who uses air to air intercoolers in almost all of their kits now?
Air to water intercooling has it's place, and for some all-out applications it's great, but a majority of the time a street car is better with an A/A.
What do diesel trucks use?
ProCharger was the first forced induction company to start using A/A intercoolers in their kits back in the 90's. For the longest time Vortech, their biggest direct competitor, swore up and down that air to air intercooling didn't work. Guess who uses air to air intercoolers in almost all of their kits now?
Air to water intercooling has it's place, and for some all-out applications it's great, but a majority of the time a street car is better with an A/A.
What do diesel trucks use?
Besides, just because they use it in OE applications doesn't make it better. They still use roots blowers in OE vehicles in place of screwblowers, centrifugals or turbos.
That said, I have an A2A on my car and it works great. I never intended to say they weren't good, or even that A2W is better, just that A2W is viable on a street car.
10-07-2010, 04:23 PM
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I love the "oh yeah, well my friend has..." game; it's played at every East Coast Honda meet.
THIS IS A DAILY DRIVER, NOT A RACE TRUCK.
Why are you even arguing about this setup? The A2W sucked because it was undersized and that's all there was room for within the confines. It works BETTER than it did before by leaps and bounds right now.
THIS IS A DAILY DRIVER, NOT A RACE TRUCK.
Why are you even arguing about this setup? The A2W sucked because it was undersized and that's all there was room for within the confines. It works BETTER than it did before by leaps and bounds right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyjC2...eature=related
He's not just some random tuner like yourself, he actually gets **** done, and gets it done right. In world record breaking fashion, I might add
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10-07-2010, 04:32 PM
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10-07-2010, 05:35 PM
Or maybe you could tell us more about your friends and what they do and have done...
I'll be back in a few months. I'm not gonna post anymore over here in this thread, but you should stop by and run your mouth in person when I get back to town since you seem to have a problem here.
I'll be back in a few months. I'm not gonna post anymore over here in this thread, but you should stop by and run your mouth in person when I get back to town since you seem to have a problem here.
10-07-2010, 05:44 PM
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Or maybe you could tell us more about your friends and what they do and have done...
I'll be back in a few months. I'm not gonna post anymore over here in this thread, but you should stop by and run your mouth in person when I get back to town since you seem to have a problem here.
I'll be back in a few months. I'm not gonna post anymore over here in this thread, but you should stop by and run your mouth in person when I get back to town since you seem to have a problem here.
And I'll make damn sure to come out, should be a blast... That is if you are still the flavor of the week then
10-07-2010, 08:03 PM
I certainly hope it's the latter.
10-08-2010, 09:05 PM
Hah, I have no problem with this guy. I just love the "I can't hold a coherent argument, so I'm going to threaten you through a monitor". What a badass. 
10-08-2010, 09:29 PM
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. from what I understand depending on the application and supporting elements/parts, either system can work just fine. It's safe too say everyone has their own opinion about stuff and how it's used or if it works/doesn't work.I think you all have some valid points but could choose a better way to debate the matter without being ******** to each other.
10-09-2010, 12:03 PM
See, that's what irks me about behavior on this forum a lot. Someone has a disagreement, and instead of discussing the actual merits behind their viewpoint, and what the technical and engineering principals are behind their opinion, they just yell "BECAUSE I'M RIGHT" and storm off like a 5 year old.
Very helpful.
Very helpful.