how good are the LT1's vs LS1's
08-29-2007, 10:14 AM
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I own both right now. I love both cars, but if I had to part with one, the 00 Z would be leaving. It is hard to compete with the power of an LS1, but I don't race on a dyno 
. With just bolt on's my LS1 car made 353 rwhp and 363 rwtq before I added my ASP pulley. It has also run 12.5 on street tires, I had to have a small cam in my 94 to net those times, but I always loved the torque from LT1's. They are both great engines put in great cars, you'll be happy with either car.
. With just bolt on's my LS1 car made 353 rwhp and 363 rwtq before I added my ASP pulley. It has also run 12.5 on street tires, I had to have a small cam in my 94 to net those times, but I always loved the torque from LT1's. They are both great engines put in great cars, you'll be happy with either car. 
08-29-2007, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by LT14LIFE JT
And bolt on LT1 being equal to a stock LS1: PLEASE! Since when did the LS1 run 11.80s off the showroom floor? That's what the bolt on record is for LT1.
08-29-2007, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by LT14LIFE JT
I don't completely agree with all that. Alot of heads/cam LT1s are over the 400rwhp mark. In fact, there's one that made 452rwhp, so there's some heavy hitters out there and alot of quitters who jumped on the LS1 bandwagon. And bolt on LT1 being equal to a stock LS1: PLEASE! Since when did the LS1 run 11.80s off the showroom floor? That's what the bolt on record is for LT1. I have alot of respect for the LS1 design. It was well researched and makes tons of power, but once you go inside either one it's a toss up. Just my .02.
In response to the question, the only real concern on the LT1 is the opti. They were poorly located on the engine but hell, it's man made. It's not going to be perfect just like the egr tube on the LS1 and don't get me started on piston slap.
I know, the horse is dead. Don't beat him anymore.
In response to the question, the only real concern on the LT1 is the opti. They were poorly located on the engine but hell, it's man made. It's not going to be perfect just like the egr tube on the LS1 and don't get me started on piston slap.
I know, the horse is dead. Don't beat him anymore.
08-29-2007, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ZONES89RS
Bull ****, i have seen cam car for cam car, i have never seen any H/C LS1 put down more than430ish, now LSx powered, yep. But if you are not talking PWHP then yea, 500. Just from what i have seen.
. Fastest bolton LS1, 10.8. Fastest cam only LS1, 10.2. The fastest cam only LT1 is slower than the fastest bolton LS1. 
Oh and since you are a dyno racerhttps://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/760089-ryans-performance-texas-speed-494rwhp-na.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/756002-vindicatorii-dyno-s.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/572505-vengeance-racing-trickflow-do-again-488rwhp-430rwtq-346-street-car.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/623726-vengeance-racing-trickflow-h-c-i-2005-gto-s-inside.html
08-29-2007, 12:16 PM
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I am not a dyno anything, have never used one, but allot of my friends with full bolt on LS1s with H/C have only put down 414, 424 and # of that nature, as i said above "from what ive seen" I dont give a **** what other people say, i only trust my friends as i know what they REALLY do to their cars, not some stranger on the internet. As for some higher numbers, maybe they use race fuel to get higher too, but like i said, that is the most i have seen for myself.
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08-29-2007, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24
Fastest bolton LS1, 10.8 a second faster than the fastest "bolton" lt1. https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post7694645 That includes stock rockers/springs too, unlike the "bolton" LT1's that have rockers and springs. And there are cam only LS1's out there that are 440+rwhp, and heads/cam LS1's over 500rwhp.
With that said, I would take the LS1. It is a better platform. Just wanted to throw my $.02 and the facts on the whole bolton vs bolton debate
08-29-2007, 12:30 PM
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oh crap here we go again, we should seriously sticky a ls1 vs. lt1 debate so all of you people can get your fill for arguing which is better
as for the original poster the LT1 is definitely a reliable motor that gets a bad rep from people thinking that distributors and water pumps last forever, a distributor goes out because it has 100,000 miles on it they replace it and then a couple months later it goes out again because the original 120,000 mile water pump is leaking on it
as for the original poster the LT1 is definitely a reliable motor that gets a bad rep from people thinking that distributors and water pumps last forever, a distributor goes out because it has 100,000 miles on it they replace it and then a couple months later it goes out again because the original 120,000 mile water pump is leaking on it
08-29-2007, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ZONES89RS
I am not a dyno anything, have never used one, but allot of my friends with full bolt on LS1s with H/C have only put down 414, 424 and # of that nature, as i said above "from what ive seen" I dont give a **** what other people say, i only trust my friends as i know what they REALLY do to their cars, not some stranger on the internet. As for some higher numbers, maybe they use race fuel to get higher too, but like i said, that is the most i have seen for myself.
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08-29-2007, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ZONES89RS
I am not a dyno anything, have never used one, but allot of my friends with full bolt on LS1s with H/C have only put down 414, 424 and # of that nature, as i said above "from what ive seen" I dont give a **** what other people say, i only trust my friends as i know what they REALLY do to their cars, not some stranger on the internet. As for some higher numbers, maybe they use race fuel to get higher too, but like i said, that is the most i have seen for myself.
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I guess all of the thousands of LS1's out there can't possibly make more power than their shitty combos. It amazes me how stupid some people are these days. 
Anyway I'm done with this thread since arguing with stupid people is pointless since they know everything. have fun living in denial.
08-29-2007, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ZONES89RS
I am not a dyno anything, have never used one, but allot of my friends with full bolt on LS1s with H/C have only put down 414, 424 and # of that nature, as i said above "from what ive seen" I dont give a **** what other people say, i only trust my friends as i know what they REALLY do to their cars, not some stranger on the internet. As for some higher numbers, maybe they use race fuel to get higher too, but like i said, that is the most i have seen for myself.
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..And there are how many of us that build what we got..I did the research on mine to get the parts that I have. And I guarantee it will rape your friend's cars and leave them cryin in a corner..
Try expanding your knowledge..
Back to the Thread..
The LT1 has nice Torque..but the LS1 responds to Mods alot better.
I built a LSX Stroker with alot of good parts in the mix..it has some helacious Torque and can still spin to 7,000RPM and put out gobs of power.
Depends on what you want..personally I want to the LSX Engines cause parts are plentiful and don't cost that much.
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08-29-2007, 02:27 PM
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Get the LT1, cause who really wants to buy a car and then have to do body work on it. But if u can do the body work and like to do it then it may be worth it to u to get the LS1. But i'd say drive both of em and try to find out how the owners took care of them maintenence wise and such. I'd much rather have a nice, well maintained LT1 than a dogged out 10,000 mile over oil change LS1.
08-29-2007, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ZONES89RS
Bull ****, i have seen cam car for cam car, i have never seen any H/C LS1 put down more than430ish, now LSx powered, yep.
450+ rwhp is very common for h/c LS1s and some have hit 500.
08-29-2007, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Scrapin'4.8
Get the LT1, cause who really wants to buy a car and then have to do body work on it. But if u can do the body work and like to do it then it may be worth it to u to get the LS1. But i'd say drive both of em and try to find out how the owners took care of them maintenence wise and such. I'd much rather have a nice, well maintained LT1 than a dogged out 10,000 mile over oil change LS1.
Either car is a great choice IMO. But I would need better details about the two cars. I'd rather have a M6 LT1 than an A4 LS1. I just prefer the standard tranny. Do either of the cars have any mods done?? Mileage??? And you said the LS1 car needs body work, that can get expensive quick, even if you can do it yourself. Either of them would be a good choice if their in good working order.
08-29-2007, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24
Fastest bolton LS1, 10.8 a second faster than the fastest "bolton" lt1. https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post7694645 That includes stock rockers/springs too, unlike the "bolton" LT1's that have rockers and springs. And there are cam only LS1's out there that are 440+rwhp, and heads/cam LS1's over 500rwhp.
08-29-2007, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Javier97Z28
That's the dumbest post I've read on LS1tech.com ever. Thanks.
To the OP, buy the LS1.
To the OP, buy the LS1.
08-29-2007, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Hark_Z
Yes but that bolt on LT1 has 600+ lbs of weight reduction..Not exactly apples to apples at that point.
08-29-2007, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by LT14LIFE JT
How many "stock" LS1s have done that? NONE! My point exactly.
LT1's can rock the **** too, but the LS1 is superior.
END of discussion.
The real question here is money.
08-29-2007, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by LT14LIFE JT
Why don't you go buy one as well since you're among the LS1 nut huggers.
I must have missed the part about the car being messed up. Money is a factor, that's a given. If the LT1 is a M6, go with that, not with a beat on LS1.
08-29-2007, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by infinitebird
Do yourself a favor and do a search. This topic has been covered about 1000 times and it will just turn into an argument.
Here, I did a search for you.
LS1 vs. LT1
whats it take to beat a stock ls1
Why build/keep an LT1?
Why do you guys keep holding on to your lt1s?
LS1 vrs. LT1
LT1 vs LS1
What Engine would you get?
Ate An LS1 Camaro Tonight!
im sure this has been asked
Dealing with LS1 people..
My LT1 is an LS1 killer?
Anyone have a vid of a LS1 vs LT1 (stock to stock)?
LT1 vs LS1, what are the actual differences?
ls1 torque vs lt1 torque
LT1 vs. LS1
Here, I did a search for you.
LS1 vs. LT1
whats it take to beat a stock ls1
Why build/keep an LT1?
Why do you guys keep holding on to your lt1s?
LS1 vrs. LT1
LT1 vs LS1
What Engine would you get?
Ate An LS1 Camaro Tonight!
im sure this has been asked
Dealing with LS1 people..
My LT1 is an LS1 killer?
Anyone have a vid of a LS1 vs LT1 (stock to stock)?
LT1 vs LS1, what are the actual differences?
ls1 torque vs lt1 torque
LT1 vs. LS1
Haha, One of my threads are in there. Yeah, a thread like this usually seems to cause an argument. I just bought an '96 Trans Am with an LT1 about 3 weeks ago. I had the chance to buy an LS1 Camaro but I kinda like the old LT1's. Not tryin' to dog on anyone who has an LSX in here, but I have spanked plenty of LS1's all around. Even with more mods then my LT1.